Thanks to all who responded. Thanks to marlinguy for his suggestion, and will try ebay first as I am on their site often. Never thought to find them there, but have found some pretty obscure items there.

I shoot black powder only in my .38-50 Hepburn and I just pulled this brass out of the tumbler, they are still wet. 
I dont scrape the primer pockets, did that in the past and they just made the primers fall out in time using a brush or screwdriver. 
I just deprive the cases and soak them for a short time 15-20 minutes if I dont forget them. Then I use an ultrasonic cleaner and throw them in a wet tumbler. I use a Frankford Arsenal. I used to use the SST pins and ceramic pins mixed till I found those little white ceramic balls   
I first got the 4 mm and they edged the brass like brushed brass plumbing fixtures so I switched to the 3mm balls and they do not stick in the flash holes and clean and polish the brass like using brasso like I used to polish my brass belt buckel when serving in the service.
2mm is too small and it ends up on the floor and plugs the flash hole. 
I dump the tumbler barrel in a large pasta strainer sitting on a bucket to drain the water off. 
I have found nothing that cleans brass like what I using now.

Kurt