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Jun 9th, 2024 at 11:24pm
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In all of my sixty odd years of loading I have never come across this before.
32 Speer 223 cases full length resized which I don't know if new or I bought them as once fired, been sitting in the drawer for some time.
Primer pockets and flash holes cleaned with a Sinclair tool and Federal primers.
Using a Modern type Lee hand priming tool some of these cases were a real hard job to seat. Some went in half way and others I thought the tool might break to get them fully in.
Two I couldn't as shown in photo. 
Lucky to get them out of the case holder.
I suppose I should have measured the primers for any variations but in the middle of loading and time was running out.
15 primers left in the packet and no trouble with the other ones I used in other. cases.
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Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2024 at 9:34am
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Those primer pockets look like they were originally crimped. If you had a short nose de-during tool you can remove the crimp pretty easy.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2024 at 10:03pm
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Definitely crimped primer pockets.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2024 at 10:42pm
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Crimped primer pockets in 223 commercial ammo are not uncommon. Remove the crimp.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 11th, 2024 at 10:23am
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I've had no problems with crimped primer pockets, but I use a countersink bit to remove the crimp edge and give it a tiny bevel. Then primers seat just fine.
  

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Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2024 at 5:07pm
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Punched the two primers out and had a good look at the primer pockets and definitely crimped.
Run one of those little chamfer things that I clean up the case mouths after trimming and all good.
Trouble was the first ten or so were harder than usual to seat and then I had a few that were more so and then two that wouldn't seat at all out of the thirty two I was priming.
Didn't know that some commercial cases were crimped and only military brass was.
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Reply #6 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 3:46pm
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Has anyone found a noticeable difference between swaging the primer pockets to remove the crimp compared to reaming it out?

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Reply #7 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 4:10pm
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many years back, owning several GI cans of military '06 ammo and fired hulls, I purchase a crimp remover from RCBS. Works just like they say it will= problem was, it's work. Set up the tool, clean the pockets (made a difference in how it went) and run 'em. Then only resume whatever steps  you need to take with the brass. It was just easier to bevel like Vall says while cleaning the pockets and be done with it. So,  the set of tools remain unused in my 'stuff' for no real reason. I think this may be the only time since I put them away that I have ever discussed the tool.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 7:00am
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Definitely crimped primer pockets.

But, The “new and improved” Lee priming tools are junk. used the old style of years finally worn out bought the new one. It’s been redesigned by somebody who never primes.

Have a nice Pope style reproduction, use it for de-priming but it’s design does not suit me for priming. Combination design great for the shooting bench, deprime, clean pocket, prime, same tool. Ideal for breech seating. High volume priming dedicated tool better choice. Try the K-T tool, better leverage smooth and precise. Design much like the original Lee with improvements.

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Reply #9 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 11:21am
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boats wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 7:00am:
Definitely crimped primer pockets.

But, The “new and improved” Lee priming tools are junk. used the old style of years finally worn out bought the new one. It’s been redesigned by somebody who never primes.

Have a nice Pope style reproduction, use it for de-priming but it’s design does not suit me for priming. Combination design great for the shooting bench, deprime, clean pocket, prime, same tool. Ideal for breech seating. High volume priming dedicated tool better choice. Try the K-T tool, better leverage smooth and precise. Design much like the original Lee with improvements.

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I agree 100%, bought the new style several years ago. No feel is only one of the problems. I went back to the old style.
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Reply #10 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 11:25am
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For priming only I like the old style RCBS tools.  I keep 2 in my range boxes along with extra inserts and holders.  Recently I acquired a Weber re-decapper that I like in .22 Hornet. I made a copy in 32-40. The design does not allow the holder or primer size to easily be changed so I plan to make a copy that uses the RCBS inserts
  

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Reply #11 - Jul 14th, 2024 at 2:03pm
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Jack, 
Seeing your Weber re- and de- makes me curious. Do you hold it with the body in your hand against the web of your thumb and with the fingers around the lever, or vice versa?  Both ways seem possible but it seems like the latter position might be a little more ergonomic.
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Reply #12 - Jul 14th, 2024 at 2:33pm
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It is most comfortable with the thumb om the lever.  Here is the original 25 Hornet version with a brass body.  I have some 3/4' brass rod for the next ones I make.  There is a little protrusion (see arrow) that causes the decapping rod to pop out slightly as the lever is depressed.

  

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Reply #14 - Jul 15th, 2024 at 10:11am
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Many people are unaware that Federal primers are a slight bit bigger in diameter than the other manufacturers make. 
First time in new cases they fit a bit tighter and with use your pockets end up widening a hair.
Using other primers later results in looser primers in the pockets.
I have always recommended never using Federal primers and then switching and if you do stick with Federal primers in those cases from then on.
Were the primer pockets crimped from loosening up with other primers after Federal primers had been used?
Or just the need to remove crimp flare on new factory loaded cases as advised above.
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Reply #15 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 12:22pm
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Bought a Dillon swage tool thinking it would be fast! NOPE Used a  counter deburring tool for years, went back to it, much faster!! Sold the Dillon!
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 1:36pm
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MarkTrew wrote on Jul 9th, 2024 at 3:46pm:
Has anyone found a noticeable difference between swaging the primer pockets to remove the crimp compared to reaming it out?

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I'm an advocate of the primer pocket reamers provided by Wilson for use in their trimmer. Cuts the crimp rather than swages and does a beautiful job - but, if I had to do a big pile of brass I would seek a swaging tool. The reamers work fine but are slow, great for the occasional odd small quantity IMO.
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 4:33pm
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bpjack, that re- and decapper in brass is bee-you-tee-full!  If I weren't already so tool poor, I would have to have one of those!  Fortunately I already have a brass body one for my 25-30 SS kit.   
I may or may not be able to find a usable brass body breech seater in all the flotsam and jetsam, and I'll be in touch when you resume making them if it turns out I need one.
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Reply #18 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 5:21pm
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No specific reason for using Federal primers just always have for donkeys years.
Plus the fact it brings in another variable using different primers.
Can't remember seeing any other types for sale where I shop.
Lucky over the past few years to get these and at double the price they were only a couple of years ago.
I haven't bought any new cases for years, so many guys don't reload and put their fired cases for sale on line. Never had any dud ones, most shooters are honest I have found or I have just been lucky.
Certainly didn't realise Federal primers were a tad larger but these cases I now realise were definately slightly crimped but as they were not military didn't even give it a thought.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 5:22pm
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I doubt I will be making them for sale.  I made an aluminum body one as a proof of concept and it turned out well but is is fairly labor intensive.  I am going to make a couple more from brass now that I have the material.  If you want to buy me a Tormach CNC mill. I will make you one.

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