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May 24th, 2024 at 6:56pm
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A follow up to my post in the 25-20 SS thread, I did a final head to head with my 25 Hornet high wall and 25-20 Win low wall this morning.  The new long throat in the low wall is going to take some work and maybe a different bullet while the 25 Hornet shot some good 200 yd groups.  Most were using 8 gr of 4100 and a Paul Jones 122gr spitzer.   
The Hornet gets the nod for the Spokane trip.  I hope Ron Smith is able to come since he built that rifle for the late Bob Zimmerman RIP.

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Reply #1 - May 24th, 2024 at 7:44pm
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Nice shooting Jack!

Breechseat or fixed?
  
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Reply #2 - May 24th, 2024 at 7:49pm
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Breech seating.  I wish I could shoot 25 cal at 200 yds that well using fixed ammo.  I only shoot 25 cal in the Spokane ISSA NW regional.  This rifle is quite a bit heavier than the 25-20 win and I need to shoot it offhand as well as off the bench.  Time to eat my Wheaties!
  

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Reply #3 - May 25th, 2024 at 12:48am
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Jack:

Check your velocity.
You might be a bit low.
The .25-20 accuracy is much better at 1,600 fps although it can be hard on the cases.
The higher velocity tunes down the wind drift quite a bit.

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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2024 at 5:29am
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Why do people shoot cartridges with no roar or visible recoil?

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If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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Reply #5 - May 25th, 2024 at 7:36am
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Jack,
Curious about the “long throat” in the lo-wall. Did you do it and what was your expectation? It’s a curiosity thing for me. I have a couple rifles with up to .200 of freebore and have found that breechseating as normal worked fine….even though the base was 3/8” or more ahead of the case mouth. It was a bastardized chamber in a 32/35 Tip Up.
  
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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2024 at 10:01am
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Dave,
I will try a higher velocity at my next outing.  1550 gos or so is as fast as I have gone so far.  I am having more consistent speeds with 4100 than 300MP in the 25s but the opposite with my 32-40s.  I am at the max seating depth with my current seater and not seeing engraving on the base band on the 25-20 win.  I need to modify my seater and do a chamber cast but that will have to wait until after the ISSA match. I stil have 3 .22s to pit against each other, a BSA MKIi, a Ballard with a #4 weight octagon barrel and a similar weight Stevens Pope barrel on a low wall. Since we are not shooting that diabolical 50 yard match any longer I don’t need the fast loading and ejection BSA and have ample time for the older rifles.  It seems I end up with a case in the action of the low wall each time I use it. Once case doesn’t seem to bother it but I need to remember to block the opening with my thumb as I grab the case.
  

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Reply #7 - May 25th, 2024 at 11:45am
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Jack, 

Buy a 4 prong jewelers pick-up tool from Amazon. They make removing .22 RF cases from the chamber easy.
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I have one of those, but I forget about it until too late Smiley  I am just so fumble fingered I even drop those.  I might make a foam plug and see if that helps.
  

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Reply #9 - May 25th, 2024 at 4:06pm
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Or open it upside down?
  
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Reply #10 - May 25th, 2024 at 6:37pm
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If I were upside down the blood would rush to the empty cavity in my skull ans I would pass out.  I started thinking about it.  A very dangerous task, but a wide rubber band would probably do the trick.
  

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I have been overthinking this.  The only time the innards are exposed is when you raise the lever.  If I keep my 4 prong grabber handy for the times the case falls onto the lowered block BEFORE I begin to raise it then all should be good.
  

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Reply #12 - Jun 8th, 2024 at 11:18pm
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That's a nasty looking chamber.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 12:00am
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John Louis suggested the jewelers pick up tool many years ago, and I can say they make life much easier. Thanks John.
  

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Reply #14 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 12:25am
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I have to agree with both craigster and rkba2nd. That is a nasty looking chamber, and it was John Louis that told me about the jewelers tool.

The really big question is, why is there a threaded section of the barrel between the receiver and the barrel shoulder????? Huh

Not sure how I missed that the first time around.
  

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Reply #15 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 4:07am
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SchwarzStock wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 5:29am:
Why do people shoot cartridges with no roar or visible recoil?

LDBG!


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Reply #16 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 8:27am
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rollingblock wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 4:07am:
SchwarzStock wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 5:29am:
Why do people shoot cartridges with no roar or visible recoil?

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Reply #17 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 9:01am
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JerryH wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 12:25am:


The really big question is, why is there a threaded section of the barrel between the receiver and the barrel shoulder????? Huh

 
Perfect opportunity to set the breechface back 3-4 threads and cut a new case rim recess. Not sure what shape the chamber/throat is in but thats an easy fix as well.
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 10:34am
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Setting the barrel back won’t help the visible threads. The top lip on the receiver was milled off to accommodate the fat barrel.  It has a short chamber and the block cams the bullet into the rifling. I am not sure but I assume the Stevens Pope barrel was added to the action somewhere other than at the Stevens factory.  It had a headspace issue when I got it that prevented the round from fully seating. This prevented it from firing on the first strike unless you closed the block on a shim.  Luckily I had another block that was a perfect fit. 
  

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Reply #19 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 10:51am
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I dont like Bit-Chi looking at me when I cruise the forum. Undecided
She gives me the creeps.
  
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JerryH wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 12:25am:
I have to agree with both craigster and rkba2nd. That is a nasty looking chamber, and it was John Louis that told me about the jewelers tool.

The really big question is, why is there a threaded section of the barrel between the receiver and the barrel shoulder????? Huh

Not sure how I missed that the first time around.


Noticed that also, my first thought was WTF? Mexican headspace adjustment ?
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Reply #22 - Jun 13th, 2024 at 2:54pm
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This is why I am not messing with this rifle (except possibly adding a set trigger once my MVA order shows up)

Jack
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