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Remington #7s and their Daddy
Apr 24th, 2024 at 4:41pm
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I have had the Army Rolling Block Pistol for 15+ years. Cut down .50 cal brass and made some ammo for it. I can see why it never caught on. But the surplus actions were put to good use 40 years later by using them to make some unique rifles.  Only around 300 were made and I lucked into two of them. A .25/25 and a .22 LR. Both are a blast to shoot, and I was able to get brass for the .25 as well as dies.
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2024 at 5:02pm
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The #7 Rolling Block rifles were based on the later Model 1871 pistols with their much nicer looking frames. I think the later pistols, and the #7 rifles are some of the most beautiful firearms Remington made back then!
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2024 at 5:59pm
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I concur with what Val said.  Neat little guns.

Congratulations on finding a couple nice #7’s.  The 300 number seems to be arbitrary, I’ve seen numbers from 300 to 600, it would be nice if a number could be pinned down.
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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2024 at 9:11pm
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bobw wrote on Apr 24th, 2024 at 5:59pm:
I concur with what Val said.  Neat little guns.

Congratulations on finding a couple nice #7’s.  The 300 number seems to be arbitrary, I’ve seen numbers from 300 to 600, it would be nice if a number could be pinned down.
Bob


I've always wondered about those numbers too? For a rifle with even only 600 made, it seems a lot survived as almost every large gun show I attend has at least one and up to 4 or 5 for sale. Seems they'd be much harder to find if the number was as low as 300-600 even. They do bring pretty good money whenever I do see one for sale!
  

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Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2024 at 9:25pm
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I have seen them for years at shows but only recently found these two for sale. The 300 number shows up in some sources with Landskron (Remington Rolling Block Pistols) states 350.  Still a small number for a very unique rifle and for the time an expensive one.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 24th, 2024 at 10:58pm
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Expensive when new, and still expensive!

Langskron, Gyde, and Marcot all state 350 rifles in their books.
  

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Reply #6 - Apr 25th, 2024 at 12:42pm
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Do any of them state a source?  I always wonder if they are just repeating what has been seen elsewhere, from observed serial numbers or actual records.  I don’t have those books, so maybe someone can clarify this for me.
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Reply #7 - Apr 25th, 2024 at 9:26pm
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bobw wrote on Apr 25th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
Do any of them state a source?  I always wonder if they are just repeating what has been seen elsewhere, from observed serial numbers or actual records.  I don’t have those books, so maybe someone can clarify this for me.
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I have all 3 books Bob, and I know all three guys are close and likely share the same source(s) but not sure where? I do know that Marcot and some higher up in the Remington Society got access years ago to Remington's historic records that for decades the company said didn't exist and they discovered all sorts of great records on old guns built that we all though didn't exist.
They weren't allowed to copy anything, but they spent a couple weeks in the storeroom every year for many years. Not sure where the whole thing stands after the bankruptcy and new company now?
  

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Reply #8 - Apr 26th, 2024 at 11:00am
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Vall, that’s good info. Since they had some access to the records, I would tend to believe their numbers then.
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Reply #9 - Apr 26th, 2024 at 12:25pm
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bobw wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 11:00am:
Vall, that’s good info. Since they had some access to the records, I would tend to believe their numbers then.
Bob


Not sure if they had access when Gyde/Marcot wrote his fine book on Remington .22 rifles was written in 2007, and certainly not when Jerry Landskron wrote the pistol book back in 1981. But certainly by the time Marcot did his book on Rolling Block Sporting rifles! 
I think some of the estimates are based on known serial numbers of existing guns, so accuracy may be close, but not exact?
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:07am
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marlinguy wrote on Apr 24th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
... the #7 rifles are some of the most beautiful firearms Remington made back then!


Some of the most beautiful rifles anybody was making back then--or now.
  

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Reply #11 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 8:04am
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You guys are killing me! Now I just have to make up one of these, for yet another project.
Fortunately I have most of the parts rounded up.
Nothing but a bunch of enablers....
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:13am
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curdog wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 8:04am:
You guys are killing me! Now I just have to make up one of these, for yet another project.
Fortunately I have most of the parts rounded up.
Nothing but a bunch of enablers....

We try! You are welcome.
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:28pm
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I figure I always need to have something on my wish list that's unobtainable, or I'll stop searching and hoping! It's those things I have wanted the longest that keep me excited about our hobby!
  

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Reply #14 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:00pm
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curdog wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 8:04am:
You guys are killing me! Now I just have to make up one of these, for yet another project.
Fortunately I have most of the parts rounded up.
Nothing but a bunch of enablers....


You have parts for an original #7?  Or castings?
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Reply #15 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:37pm
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I know where I can get a hold of one of the repro pistols very reasonably to use for the donor.
  
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Reply #16 - Apr 29th, 2024 at 9:37am
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I got curious and checked Grant's first three books for information but there ain't much, was surprised!
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 29th, 2024 at 10:57am
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Jerry Langskron's book or John Gyde's book both cover the #7 pretty well. Marcot's Rolling Block book does also.
  

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Reply #18 - Apr 30th, 2024 at 9:12pm
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Parts needed for a "#7 clone"
#2 sporting rifle barrel with the Remington Arms Co inscription. You will have to turn the front portion to round.
original 1871 Army pistol. Bend the tangs and move the trigger pivot pin.  See Landskron's book for details
Make the mainspring.
Gunstock Set from George at Treebone. This pattern was from Dave Higgenbotham of Lone Star Rifle Co. for the three LSR #7s he manufactured.  Ask George to turn it a little thicker than the LSR pattern.
Beech front sight
Early Lyman tang sight.  There are a couple of rather short #1s that can be adapted.
#7 tang sight base (extremely rare) or copy one if you can find an original to borrow.  An option here is to mount a rear barrel sight and omit the tang peep.
Carve the pistol grip cap. Bakelite or ebony work here.
The butt plate is unique in size but very similar in pattern to other Remington Arms Co (RAC) fancy scroll bakelite plates of that period. 
A lot of work and have fun.
  
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Reply #19 - Apr 30th, 2024 at 9:44pm
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Almost sounds like it might be less work to just get a casting kit and go from there. Work wise the casting might be a little more work but at least it wouldn't be a cut and weld project. 
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Reply #20 - May 1st, 2024 at 12:09pm
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between the rb pistol and the #7 , they made a cadet rifle out of the pistol, trying to get rid of the pistols. very few were made. i have one and a # 7 , both are for sale.   tony<><
  
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Reply #21 - May 2nd, 2024 at 5:10am
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There is an interesting photo of a Number 7 in Marcot's book, page 316. The rifle appears to have a quite heavy barrel that is octagon at the breech but appears to be round at the muzzle. There does not appear to be a distinct transition on the barrel. could it be that barrel was tapered octagon to round of most of it's length?
  

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Reply #22 - May 2nd, 2024 at 10:14am
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SchwartzStock wrote on May 2nd, 2024 at 5:10am:
There is an interesting photo of a Number 7 in Marcot's book, page 316. The rifle appears to have a quite heavy barrel that is octagon at the breech but appears to be round at the muzzle. There does not appear to be a distinct transition on the barrel. could it be that barrel was tapered octagon to round of most of it's length?


If you read his description it states it's a full octagon barrel.
  

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Reply #23 - May 3rd, 2024 at 3:58am
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How did I miss that Embarrassed
  

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Reply #24 - May 3rd, 2024 at 12:18pm
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I just looked back at this thread, and for those interested in building one of these guns, making the rear sight base and grip cap are covered.
Bob

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