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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 577 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	32 Ideal Caliber Apr 24^th, 2024 at 11:35am	Print Post
	For a long time it seems that 32 Ideal brass and cartridges have always been is short supply. I have a habit of buying obsolete brass and cartridges for rifles I don’t own (yet). Who developed this cartridge and what factory rifles came chambered for this cartridge? Thank you in advance, Joe


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7133 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #1 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	It's my understanding that Stevens developed it, at least in part to save 32 RF barrels. One of the reasons that the groove is .323,instead of .319/.321. I think I have a article about it somewhere, I'll look.

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1027 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #2 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	My understanding is that the cartridge was designed by someone at Ideal. Maybe last name Bartow?. 1900-03 time frame. Stevens, Remington, Winchester all had rifles chambered at the factory. Yes, I’m still looking for a set of dies!!!


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15740 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #3 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 1:11pm	Print Post
	That would be Barlow, the owner of Ideal. But not sure he developed the cartridge Stevens introduced?

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1027 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #4 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 1:11pm: That would be Barlow, the owner of Ideal. But not sure he developed the cartridge Stevens introduced? I don’t remember where I got that tidbit, only that the name was a nod to the Ideal company. Possibly an article introducing the cartridge? Stevens certainly had a hand in it, but given the attitude of the times about chambering rifles with other manufacturers names, if someone else was involved and wanted it to sell, it makes sense to give it a more generic name.


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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1006 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #5 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 2:51pm	Print Post
	I have a Winchester Highwall with double set triggers in .32 Ideal. It has a #3 28" octagon barrel. The bore is 323, 1-18 twist. I believe the .32 Ideal was developed by Barlow who own Ideal, but was marketed by Stevens. I believe an Rapine mould in .325 155 grain has potential.

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sportslube Oldtimer Offline Posts: 523 Location: Eau Claire, wi Joined: May 13^th, 2008	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #6 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	Have a reamer for 32 ideal. Made another barrel for my 44 1/2, also have a 32-40 and working on a 38-55 for it. That will make a 3 barrel set.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15740 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #7 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	I read once that the .32 Ideal was first introduced to lengthen old .32 Long Ballard and Wesson barrels that needed chambers cleaned up. Not sure who invented it, just seems odd that a tool maker like Barlow would have been involved. I can't find much that says who was involved in the design of this cartridge though.

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 834 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #8 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	Here's a picture from the 1912 Ideal handbook on the .32 Ideal.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15740 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #9 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 7:25pm: Here's a picture from the 1912 Ideal handbook on the .32 Ideal. Well I'll be darned! Guess that is pretty good documentation of who designed it!

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1027 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #10 - Apr 24^th, 2024 at 10:00pm	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 7:25pm: Here's a picture from the 1912 Ideal handbook on the .32 Ideal. That passage is also quoted in Bruce Grant’s “Single Shot Rifles”. Probably where I remember it from.


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Skalkaho Oldtimer Offline Posts: 727 Location: Montana Joined: Sep 29^th, 2006	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #11 - Apr 28^th, 2024 at 12:16pm	Print Post
	Shot the 32 ideal in a Borchardt for a couple years. Brass made from Rocky Mtn. Brass. Worked well but at $2.50 a pop pricey. SOOOO I went to 32-357 Mag within a grain to the 32 Ideal and bombproof! My reamer with a 1/2" straight before taper,looks like a mini 32-40 . Hopefully I will get a load in BP done for it to shoot fixed,even though breech cut. Have used taper bullets in fixed loads that I jam into the lands and have gotten 5/8" groups 5 shots @ 100 yds....good enough for this guy offhand! 11.5 gr. Lil gun works very good........

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4035 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 32 Ideal Caliber Reply #12 - Apr 28^th, 2024 at 1:16pm	Print Post
	I have a couple of .32 Ideals. One is on a low serial number Model 108 action. I've logged two of them with even lower numbers. The 1896 catalog depicts the cartridge but the 1889 catalog does not. So its' introduction at least predates 1896. I'd argue for 1894, based on those serial numbers. I've read a claim that Reuben Harwood had something to do with it. The early 1890s was his period of greatest activity, but I'm skeptical. Brass can be made from 5.6x50R, if you can find any. I've done it, but as 5.6x50R can also make .25-25, I'm saving the few I have left for that.
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