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50-70 as a viable cartridge?
Apr 21st, 2024 at 8:27am
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A while back I fooled around and made a bid on a rolling block in 50-70 to become a project donor rifle. After getting it, I realized itís one of the nicest tightest cleanest New York rollers Iíve ever come across. I donít have the heart to butcher it any worst than what had already been done.   

With that being said, I need to justify keeping it around. But everywhere Iíve looked, the 50-70 is regarded as a slouch. It makes sense. Super slow twist for that short projectile. No real options for bullets etc. 

In Michigan, itís under (or at) the 1.8Ē max for straight wall cartridge, so I CAN use it for deer hunting in the lower lower peninsula. Itís not hard to kill a 160 lb white tail. But, how would it work on black bear? Elk? Other species at under 200 yd shots?   
Canít do much about the freebore or your projectile will weigh 600 gr. Canít get too long because the bbl doesnít have any twist rate. Canít ALOT of things. 

Any experience or ideas are appreciated. Itís just awkward enough that Iíd like to utilize it, despite the 1 yard long barrel Cheesy
  
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Re: 50-70 as a viable cartridge?
Reply #1 - Apr 21st, 2024 at 10:29am
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Try loading it with a case full of 2F and a round ball. Easy on your shoulder, and the old rifle.
I did this one time with a light 500 x 3", which was absolutely brutal with a standard load. Cloverleaf groups at 30 yards.
There is not a whitetail deer in North America that the above load won't take down, out to 75 yards.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 21st, 2024 at 10:34am
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50-70 was William Cody's buffalo rifle.
Custer's account of his 50-70 rolling block took every animal in the West and the most accurate rifle in camp to hear him tell it.
Probably adequate for anything in North America if one keeps the range limitations in mind.
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Reply #3 - Apr 21st, 2024 at 10:59am
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I should Just put a modern twist bbl on it at 26ĒĎfor hunting but save the other barrel because itís immaculate and pristine inside. However something about keeping the orig together appeals to me.  I have some treebone wood Iíd like to find someone to finish for for me but havenít been able to find anyone here in Michigan. The orig buttstock has the company name and stuff still in it 
  
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Re: 50-70 as a viable cartridge?
Reply #4 - Apr 21st, 2024 at 11:39am
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UpNorthCountry wrote on Apr 21st, 2024 at 10:59am:
I should Just put a modern twist bbl on it at 26ĒĎfor hunting but save the other barrel because itís immaculate and pristine inside. However something about keeping the orig together appeals to me.† I have some treebone wood Iíd like to find someone to finish for for me but havenít been able to find anyone here in Michigan. The orig buttstock has the company name and stuff still in it 


You have one of the best resources for a restock right in Adrian, Mi. at Johnson's Sporting Goods. Steve Durren is the gunsmith there, and does great work.
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 21st, 2024 at 12:32pm
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I know Steve. His work is amazing. However He retired this last fall and when I talked to him last sept, he was focusing on his own projects. Youíre right though. I should call him and see who he knows locally.
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 21st, 2024 at 1:09pm
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I think that you should work with the original barrel and the 515141, or maybe better, the 515142 and see how it goes. To get the 600 grain plus bullets that the faster twist would like up to the velocity of the originals will rock your socks and gain little in trajectory except at distances that you shouldn't be shooting at game. I've done both with an original trapdoor and a Higginbotham roller.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 21st, 2024 at 4:13pm
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the .50-70 and original 450 grain bullet will absolutely poleax any north american game in the original black powder loading.  Trajectory is a bit limiting on yardage, but otherwise, an excellent choice for hunting.  I'd limit to about 125 to 150 yards because of trajectory, unless you have time to range the distance and account for bullet drop.
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 21st, 2024 at 6:34pm
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ÖÖBut everywhere Iíve looked, the 50-70 is regarded as a slouch.Ö..
Tell that to a couple of hundred thousand Buffalo that fell to that slouch during the late 1860s through the 1870s.† Cry
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Reply #9 - Apr 21st, 2024 at 6:42pm
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Don't berlieve the "everywhere I've looked" people.   Most of them probably have never even shot a 50-70.   It is a great cartridge for hunting if you just stay with its originbal loading.  Lyman 515141 and about 67-70 grains of 2F.   I use that load in a NY Carbine, an 1870 Remington Navy, a 50-70 Peabody carbine, a Shiloh Infantry rifle,  and a Sharps Conversion carbine.   It shoots just fine for hunting in all of them.  Keep it simple!!  That Remington will make 'm come for you.

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Re: 50-70 as a viable cartridge?
Reply #10 - Apr 24th, 2024 at 9:06am
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UpNorthCountry wrote on Apr 21st, 2024 at 10:59am:
I should Just put a modern twist bbl on it at 26ĒĎfor hunting but save the other barrel because itís immaculate and pristine inside. However something about keeping the orig together appeals to me.† I have some treebone wood Iíd like to find someone to finish for for me but havenít been able to find anyone here in Michigan. The orig buttstock has the company name and stuff still in it 

Please don't modify that old roller! It will perform beautifully. One of the joys of shooting original pieces is getting them to perform to their max ability and knowing their limitations!
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 24th, 2024 at 9:21am
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The .50-70 and a paper patch bullet which will allow more powder will surely up the performance level. Man Mich. regs have sure change over the years, been 30 yrs since I left.
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Reply #12 - Apr 24th, 2024 at 3:57pm
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I have a #5 Roller in a 50-70 and use 5744 and Re-7 powder with 450 and 500 grain bullets.  My twist is 1:26 so the heavier bullet shoots better.  I am taking it on a buffalo hunt next week and have no qualms about the ability to kill one and make the total a couple of hundred thousand and one buffalos that have been dispatched by one.  The other rifle I am taking is a Ballard Pacific in 40-85 and am shooting 3fffg with a 400 grain bullet.  It is my first choice but I have had two cases separate in the last month and it is too late to get more 9.3x74R brass in time for the hunt so I am somewhat afraid to use it as it might be a one shot and done situation if another separates. I went through with a bent paper clip to feel for potential splits and found one case that I threw away.  Anyway, don't be afraid to hunt with a 50-70 and also don't be afraid to use smokeless.  Tom
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2024 at 3:26pm
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KFW wrote on Apr 24th, 2024 at 9:21am:
The .50-70 and a paper patch bullet which will allow more powder will surely up the performance level. Man Mich. regs have sure change over the years, been 30 yrs since I left.
kw

It hasnít gotten any better Iíll tell you that!
  
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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2024 at 5:01pm
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I elk hunt in Montana with my original sporting Roller in 50-70.  Accurate at 200 yards.  Use the 450 grain gg.
  

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