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Fields Participating Member Offline Posts: 31 Joined: Aug 11^th, 2016	25-21 Dec 8^th, 2023 at 11:21am	Print Post
	I've owned 44 1/2 Stevens heavy barreled rifle (wears era Winchester scope) for years and want to start shooting? I've got brass and bought bullets just need help with powder and charge? Prefer to load smokeless if possible. PS: Gun is in great shape serial number on barrel and action don't match. Recently purchased Original Winchester Model 1885 (papered from Cody & manufactured in 1890) with 3 weight 30 inch barrel in 40-60? Does anyone have experience loading and shooting this shell?


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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1078 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: 25-21 Reply #1 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 1:48pm	Print Post
	No experience with the .25-21. But I have been shooting the .25-25 Stevens. The two are very similar, the .25-21 being just a little shorter. Here is a pretty good discussion on the .25-25 that may be of help. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Statesrights Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 366 Location: Virginia Joined: May 3^rd, 2016	Re: 25-21 Reply #2 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 2:06pm	Print Post
	Paul Jones 90 gr 7.3 gr 4227 Used in my Stevens 44 .25-21 .40-60 WCF Whitney Kennedy 245 gr CAST FN 13.7 gr Trail Boss 23.0 gr A5744


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 25-21 Reply #3 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	From my 44-1/2 Stevens, with the canonical 86 grain Loverin style plain base bullet, 6.0 grains of AA#9 was significantly more accurate than any load of 4227 or 2400 that I tried. Same load did well with an 88 grain gas checked version of the same bullet from a different mould. No information on the .40-60.

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 978 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: 25-21 Reply #4 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:18pm	Print Post
	7.5 grains of 2400 with the 86 grain plain base cast bullet shoots okay in my rifle. I mistakenly loaded up 20 rounds of .25-21 with 7.5 grains of bullseye, not 2400, only fired two rounds before I realized something was wrong. There was a very loud report and with the last round the primer fell out of the fired case. No harm to my 44 1/2 thankfully. I need to double check everything at my loading bench.


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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 648 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: 25-21 Reply #5 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:50pm	Print Post
	Years ago I studied loading data and loaded 25-21 with 9 gr 4227 BS. In a 44 it is way beyond it's capability so had to stopped. And with Bertam brass (which fell apart) I gave up on it before getting it right. So don't go near that level. The foolishness of youth. Addendum: every few rounds the breech block pivot pin would shear enough to make the lever loose. I would remove it and turn it 180 degrees and all would be tight again for a few rounds. Charles
	« Last Edit: Dec 9^th, 2023 at 10:18am by bohemianway »

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 25-21 Reply #6 - Dec 8^th, 2023 at 8:07pm	Print Post
	bohemianway wrote on Dec 8^th, 2023 at 7:50pm: Years ago I studied loading data and loaded 25-21 with 9 gr 4227 BS. In a 44 it is way beyond it's capability so had to stopped. And with Bertam brass (which fell apart) I gave up on it before getting it right. So don't go near that level. The foolishness of youth. Charles That load still looks pretty mild in Quickload. Any 44 in decent condition should do that one indefinitely. Bertram brass I won't defend. I was lucky enough to acquire a fat handful of Remington at a gun-show just after I bought the gun, I never had brass problems. (Gun is a 44-1/2 BTW. Still needs the trigger lightened up. Maybe I'll get to it this year.)

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Fields Participating Member Offline Posts: 31 Joined: Aug 11^th, 2016	Re: 25-21 Reply #7 - Dec 25^th, 2023 at 9:35am	Print Post
	Thank you all for sharing your experience and knowledge.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 25-21 Reply #8 - Dec 25^th, 2023 at 12:05pm	Print Post
	Welcome to the forum.

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