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Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:31pm
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Last sunday I got in some practice with the 12/15 at the indoor range, did some prone shooting at 75 m (that's 82 yds).
The rifle keeps impressing me with its accuracy - and it surely likes SK ammo.  The group below was shot with the SK long range match, but red box rifle match will do equally well, if not better.  9 out of 10 in a group just a bit over MOA, the errant shot not too sure - I didn't call it, but it still could have been me.

That's prone, sling only, from the elbows, with the standard peep sights (which are pretty good BTW)

Pretty happy with the rifle, the ammo and my shooting.  Typically, .22 LR tends to be quite unforgiving to shooter mistakes.
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2023 at 5:38am
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Whats with that 7?
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2023 at 4:24pm
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"Called flyer i'm sure"...





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Reply #3 - Nov 30th, 2023 at 1:07am
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Called flyer is still a 7
  

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Reply #4 - Nov 30th, 2023 at 10:56am
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kept seeing my name- what the h...............? I didn't shoot that seven, blame somebody else!
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 30th, 2023 at 11:42am
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Yes, ą 7 indeed. And what's more, the shot felt 'right', not a called flyer. Still, if a 70+ year old rifle can still shoot those groups...
As I said, the 7 might  be me, might be ammo-related, but still, the combination  will perform. It was the 7th shot, , the next shots went back where they were supposed to be.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 30th, 2023 at 1:56pm
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Is there any serious prone shooter who has never shot a target like that?  I have shot several, or maybe several dozen, all attributable to me.
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 1st, 2023 at 12:15am
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Yes, it is still a 7, but it can quite possibly be something one can learn from. Given that you know what might have caused it. To include a called flyer.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 29th, 2024 at 1:56pm
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Next try, same rifle - 10 shots SK Long range this time.  2 shots out of the group, but then again no 7 this time.

That's shooting 'in the spirit of the original', 2 point sling, no hand stop.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 29th, 2024 at 2:42pm
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That's some excellent shooting! I'm pretty sure I couldn't do that prone at 82 yards.
The British (and German and Belgian) martini small frame rimfires never cease to amaze me, and are among my favorite 22 rifles. I have often shot much better groups with these rifles and aperture sights than with a scope during the same shooting session. Something many might find hard to believe, but there it is.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2024 at 3:39pm
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Years ago, I spent some happy hours on the Eley customer test range with the late Bert Brooke’s.
Using barrelled actions clamped in a test rig, Bert was able to demonstrate that most quality .22 Ammo would group 8 or 9 shots inside a minute of angle. What the top brands, such as Tenex did was to eliminate the flyers.
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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2024 at 6:39pm
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Yup That is why I finally started paying the price for Tenex because it was ammo that didn't have that tenth shot being a flyer. 

Time after time most shooters think it was their shooting that resulted in the flyer.

Nope - the majority of time it is due to the quality of your rimfire ammo.

BSA made excellent barrels on their single shot rifles and they truly love Eley ammo.

  
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Reply #12 - Feb 10th, 2024 at 4:14am
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No way around,  only the best stuff will be consistent.   Add to that that the little .22 is extremely sensitive to any inconsistencies or faults in holding, position,... if you see a difference in recoil behaviour of the rifle, you can be sure the POI will be different.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 28th, 2024 at 10:40am
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I have found the biggest mistake people make with the small bores (and air rifles) is failure to follow-thru.
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 28th, 2024 at 12:11pm
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You can add Black powder rifles to that list!
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 29th, 2024 at 5:42am
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"Typically, .22 LR tends to be quite unforgiving to shooter mistakes."

If that's true I'd like to know what ammo is forgiving to shooter mistakes. That's the ammo I want to use. Need all the help I can get. 

Can you post a picture of your rifle and sling?  
75 meters indoors? That's impressive too.
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Reply #16 - Feb 29th, 2024 at 12:37pm
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Joe,

Attached 2 pics of the rifle - basically a bog-standard BSA 12/15 with an typical period 2-point sling, original PH7A rear sight.  Only modifiction is stripping the varnish and giving the stock an english oil finish.  Even the buttplate is still original...

I don't even use a handstop when shooting, as it is my practice rifle for my 32-20 BPCR - no handstop allowed.

And for me, I tend to think the larger calibre CF's are less sensitive than the humble .22 to shooter error.  Why, good question.  Maybe the greater recoil pulse 'kicks' through some minor inconsistencies?

  
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Reply #17 - Mar 3rd, 2024 at 7:53pm
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Thanks. I have a #12 Martini but have never shot it in the prone position. Have wondered what the sling looks like and how it is used.
  

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Reply #18 - Mar 4th, 2024 at 3:39am
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Standard 2-point sling, both attachment points on the forearm.   This sling has hooks. And it even is period correct for the rifle.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 9th, 2024 at 8:40am
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Gert, it is a very handsome rifle with those stocks you refinished. It makes me nearly ashamed of the Tikka T1X I have in the safe. Accurate, but not a whisper of a soul, unlike your 12/15 -- rather like an electric train vs. a steam locomotive. 
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Reply #20 - Mar 9th, 2024 at 10:28am
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Bill,

All well here, and yes, those BSA's not only have lots of character, they're also extremely accurate while also being proper steel and walnut rifles.  Fro mthe time when rifles were still machined from steel...
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:46am
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Last sunday“s outing, 10 shots. Still need to address those flyers.  But if it were easy, it wouldn“t be fun, right?
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 9:29am
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What ammo are you using in shooting that group?

Also, it seems you are dealing with vertical here.
Sling tension varying? 
Post or aperture front sight? A post front can be harder to hold your vertical.

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Reply #23 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 1:13pm
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Sk long range match, and yes, my position and isn't always perfect, it does show up...
I shoot an aperture front.
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 10:34am
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Gert,
In any event, that is good position sling shooting.
Good choice of ammo.
I shoot SKLRM in several competitions from 100 to 300yds
with my Martini Int'l MKIIs. I have a heavy, and a light model.
i am "almost" sorry I had sold my 12/15 rifle that shot Very Well. But on the other hand, I got a young fellow shooting it and he too has won matches with it.
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