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Re: Hammer/trigger relationship
Reply #15 - Jun 1st, 2023 at 10:38pm
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AJ wrote on Jun 1st, 2023 at 8:59pm:
I have been using the same technique for years with success.  I use number drills to determine the diameter of the hammer pivot hole, then select a drill bit 1/2 of that diameter that is inserted into the pivot hole to establish the centerline.  Then I set it up like the picture below.  The sear notch is set just above the vice jaws and stoned with the stone parallel to the jaws.  This method can be adjusted with larger or smaller diameter drill bits in the setup to fine tune the sear angle.  


Wow! Very well thought out! The degree of expertise on this forum is amazing.
  
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Re: Hammer/trigger relationship
Reply #16 - Jun 2nd, 2023 at 12:31pm
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bpjack wrote on Jun 1st, 2023 at 11:14pm:
Now I just need a junker receiver to cut out judiciously to see how the internals work in real-time.  

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If the trigger and the hammer are both attached to the receiver it's self, it is likely that they could be attached to the exterior of the receiver using the same pins and screws, making the relationship easy to see. On the hand, if the hammer is attached to the breech block (winchester), that will not work and you will need to cut your old hi-wall apart to see the relationship; an image I will try very hard to get out of my mind!
  
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Re: Hammer/trigger relationship
Reply #17 - Jun 2nd, 2023 at 1:15pm
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AJ
that's some great thinking
amazing what old school machinists could do
I have to use computers 

here's a pic of block with 4 holes to study Win Highwall
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Reply #18 - Jun 2nd, 2023 at 8:02pm
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Nice work on the block HarrisHighwall.  I wish that I could claim to be an old school machinist, but alas, I am just an old hobbyist.

On the vise sear stoning jig, the only time it has failed me was on an M1 carbine.  There is some odd geometry on the carbine hammers, and they need some camming to avoid going full auto.
  
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Re: Hammer/trigger relationship
Reply #19 - Jun 2nd, 2023 at 8:42pm
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AJ wrote on Jun 1st, 2023 at 8:59pm:
I have been using the same technique for years with success.  I use number drills to determine the diameter of the hammer pivot hole, then select a drill bit 1/2 of that diameter that is inserted into the pivot hole to establish the centerline.  Then I set it up like the picture below.  The sear notch is set just above the vice jaws and stoned with the stone parallel to the jaws.  This method can be adjusted with larger or smaller diameter drill bits in the setup to fine tune the sear angle.  


What I like most about this method is how well it would adapt to using the milling machine vise and a carbide end mill. Eye sight and tactile input are not so good any more!
  
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Reply #20 - Jun 2nd, 2023 at 10:55pm
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The vise can be used as a fixture for stoning the trigger as well, I just don’t have a picture handy.  The setup is the same, except the engagement surface is made to just barely stick out the side of the vise.  The vise is then rotated so that the trigger sear engagement surface is up, and it is stoned parallel with the vise.  I generally the break the trailing edge slightly at about a 45 degree angle which has the same effect as making the hammer notch more shallow.
  
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