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Re: Re-use charcoal when color case hardening?
Reply #15 - Apr 16th, 2023 at 10:29am
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I have Al Springer do color case for me, so the only thing I do when the parts come back is warm them with my heat gun, and then apply paste wax so it melts in well. Then wipe them off and buff with a soft cloth.
A couple decades ago I tried the spray on clear finish and it looked good. But after a few years it showed handling marks on the clear, so I stripped it with acetone and just waxed the receiver.
  

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Reply #16 - Apr 16th, 2023 at 10:54am
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GT, do use a fish tank bubbler to introduce O2 into your quench tank?

Oops, I re-read your first post and see that you said that you use pure oxygen.
  
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Reply #17 - Apr 16th, 2023 at 10:57am
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Thanks GT and Marlinguy!  I've gotten some reds and pinks without the addition of oxygen in the past.  Maybe its my lower elevation (220ft).   By the way GT, please do highjack this thread!  I learn and incorporate much of what I read here.  Wink
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 17th, 2023 at 12:01am
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Some good content here... 
Thanks AJ for the marlin-collectors link on CCH'ing - that's a great link indeed! I'm thinking the one I was referring to was on the old hobby-machinist.com - gunsmithing (?) forum, but sadly I cannot find it. It was a similar documented journey by someone experimenting to learn the "art". Chasing another resource at this time too... will share more later.

GT - Curious to know if you include a dosing of salt in your quench water? Going to be collecting up some cherry, apricot pits shortly to try making some charcoal.

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Reply #19 - Apr 17th, 2023 at 12:45am
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Sureshot,
I have a coil in the bottom of my quench tank that I connect shop air to and it runs the entire time I have the oven going, for the last few minutes I shut the shop air off and drop a oxygen hose in the tank and let it bubble. 
Jeff, I don't use any salts.   
Here's pix of a HW I did before using the O2 method, same ingredients.  The  only thing that stands out here, if you look close, I had wrapped wire around the action holding all the parts together.  I saw an action another forum member did that he said he intentionally wrapped wire around it, it's a different feature and adds an interesting pattern, Russ?
  

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Reply #20 - Apr 17th, 2023 at 10:40pm
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We do quite a bit of CCH here in the shop, we do not reuse the char/charcoal. Manufactures each had a different look to their CCH, Colt is different than Winchester, which is different than Remington etc. Achieving that look is dependent in some part of the bone to wood ratio, we have very specific ratios, once dumped... There's no telling what the mix is.

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Reply #21 - Apr 18th, 2023 at 11:07am
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From talking with those who do lots of CCH they all tell me shielding is important to obtain good patterns on the parts. So wrapping the wire around that Greg mentioned is one way to get there. Others have told me they space a blank steel plate about 3/8" off larger parts like receivers to get the good patterns, if there aren't other parts adjacent to get the results wanted.
  

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Reply #22 - Apr 18th, 2023 at 12:02pm
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Mike,
I totally agree, if you are doing this process for hire, don't cut any corners like re-using ingredients.  In my machining business, I don't cut corners when it's being paid for and I still get bit on occasion -  junk fasteners, some foreign steels, non domestic tooling.   
As the OP mentioned, frugality has it's measures for personal use.
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Reply #23 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:28pm
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As I threatened, here's a hijack...  First a couple photos of one of my students HW coming out of the quench yesterday.  Had some interesting yellows and blues, not sure why the difference, next post is of my Hepburn, same mix, same quench, same temps, same times...
  

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Reply #24 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:34pm
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Here's a couple of the Hepburn done yesterday also,  including the nitre blue to the hammer, lever, block, etc.   
I have some more of my junk I did, when I get time I'll include some on my Webley build post...
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Reply #25 - May 1st, 2023 at 9:52am
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Beautiful case colors Greg!
  

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Reply #26 - May 1st, 2023 at 12:26pm
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Greg,

Is it common to provide full flats on the sides?

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Reply #27 - May 1st, 2023 at 1:25pm
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Bill,
Are you referring to the Rigby's?  No, but that is how I do them.  I also do one on the bottom as a starting point it's a place to make my mistakes as well as the bottom half of each side - and I make more than my fare share of mistakes!
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Re: Re-use charcoal when color case hardening?
Reply #28 - May 1st, 2023 at 6:14pm
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Greg,
I’m not sure about the 1885 yet, but I sure do like the colors on the Hepburn.

Did you case harden the hammer, block and lever before bluing?
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Reply #29 - May 1st, 2023 at 6:36pm
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Thanks everyone and I apologize to fishoot for the intrusion.
I cased the sear engagement area of the hammer and trigger, face of the block before bluing but that's all.  The 1885 looks really good in his wood but there is definitely some contrast.  Maybe John will post pictures of this assembled? Start his first post?
  

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