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Building a competitive 22LR - Looking for advice
Apr 1st, 2023 at 7:59pm
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I have a Stevens 44 1/2 action that’s about 80% complete that I’ve been thinking about building up into a 22 LR “match” rifle.  Per a current post on the sale/trade forum this may not be an easy task.  However, for starters, the action needs a breach block so that would be covered by CPA.  But any other advice on other parts (primarily the barrel) and/or assembly of the project would be much appreciated.  Thanks  much in advance.
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 1st, 2023 at 8:01pm
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Just go with what Ken Lewis did, a BRC choked barrel.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 1st, 2023 at 9:20pm
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I would seriously consider a 12 o' clock firing pin strike.  Thinking I would Thread the Barrel "Tight" and forget about a Takedown.  I'll assume you're going to Square Up the Shoulders in the Frame so the Breach Block is not canted even though the face may be true to the Bore.  Little things add up and will make a difference.  Good luck 👍. David
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2023 at 10:28pm
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CPA blocks will fit Stevens frames?

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Thanks guys.  Seems to me the last time I looked at CPA they offered breach blocks for the 44 1/2.  So maybe the CPA being larger on the outside is dimensionally the same on the inside.  Frankly I never really thought about it that much.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 12:09am
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If your wanting the best accuracy you might think about a Lilja barrel and Lilja chamber. The last one I did was getting 3/8" groups at 100 yards.
  

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Reply #6 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 12:33am
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Just checked and yeah CPA catalogs breach blocks for both actions.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 1:13am
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Yes, I got a CF breechblock for my 44 1/2 from Gail. Dropped right in and fit tight.
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 2:09am
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So the CPA action has thicker sidewalls? I knew the tangs fit Stevens frames. 
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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 6:56am
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The CPA action and original 44 1/2’s, the breech blocks are different, CPA makes and sells both. The rimfire CPA breech block for an original 44 1/2 that I have, the firing pin location is at 6 o’clock.
What I have found with swapping out breech blocks in Original 44 1/2’s from one rifle to another, along with the breech blocks from CPA, getting the correct headspace is going to be a crapshoot.
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 9:28am
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Sure shot wrote on Apr 2nd, 2023 at 6:56am:
The CPA action and original 44 1/2’s, the breech blocks are different, CPA makes and sells both. The rimfire CPA breech block for an original 44 1/2 that I have, the firing pin location is at 6 o’clock.
What I have found with swapping out breech blocks in Original 44 1/2’s from one rifle to another, along with the breech blocks from CPA, getting the correct headspace is going to be a crapshoot.


That’s interesting and makes sense.  However I’m hoping, so to speak, that the crap will be taken out of the shoot since I’ll be building up a rifle with a new barrel and breach block.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 9:41am
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Should be no issues with a new breech block with fitting a new barrel.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 10:42am
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The competitive smallbore prone shooters here have been lauding the Shilen ratchet barrels. I had CPA put one on my 44 1/2 and the barrel work was exceptional. However, the 44 1/2 extractor is not the best for accuracy with the way it moves and does not support the case wall (Others here have discussed it in the past). So the most careful and perfect chambering and squaring will be overcome by the extractor shortcomings.

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Reply #13 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 12:21pm
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bohemianway wrote on Apr 2nd, 2023 at 10:42am:
The competitive smallbore prone shooters here have been lauding the Shilen ratchet barrels. I had CPA put one on my 44 1/2 and the barrel work was exceptional. However, the 44 1/2 extractor is not the best for accuracy with the way it moves and does not support the case wall (Others here have discussed it in the past). So the most careful and perfect chambering and squaring will be overcome by the extractor shortcomings.

Charles


I've noticed that.  Could that be a function of fit?  I've often wondered if the extractors were intentionally fit loose to accommodate for the take down system.
  
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Reply #14 - Apr 2nd, 2023 at 1:17pm
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I've spent a lot of time (and money) on competitive rimfire benchrest rifles over the years.  I'd like to offer you some good advice but, the sad fact is that some rifles shoot well and some don't.  This is exacerbated by the fact that not all barrels of a given manufacturer and style are created equal. I've had $700.00 Shilen Ratchet barrels (barrel cost plus gunsmithing) that were dogs right out of the box.

I can speak to ammo.  Attached is an ASSRA 100 yard target shot with a Martini MkIII with a well used Hart Barrel.  Each individual bull was shot with a different lot of Eley Tenex or Eley Match ammo. 

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