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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle (added making the prototype)
Reply #45 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 8:13pm
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Reply #46 - Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:10pm
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I started looking seriously at the side cover and realized the cover is actually tapered at the the front.  The reason for it is obvious to me now, the integrity of the frame would be compromised without it.  Not having a gun in hand I did not see the angle, but now that I know it's there, I see it in many of the pictures! Embarrassed   It was impossible to measure in the pictures so I ended up just winging it.  The first picture shows several test angles, they are 20, 25 and 30 degrees.  I choose 25, the center one, it should give plenty of meat for safety.  The side cover is also "keyed" into the frame.  That can also be seen here, the double lines lay this out.

The second picture, because of the discovery of the angled cover, all my measurements were off by that amount.  I ended up redrawing everything.....was not much fun!  Just behind the front panel radius, there is a verticle layout line that indicates where the angle should end up at full depth, I'm told the math is never wrong, we will see.  Everything behind this line is gun lock stuff and cover screw locations.  The other long vertical line is the cover "key" line.  If you want to get dizzy study the drawing behind the frame! Cheesy  It's the redone one.

3, is just a close up of the lock and panel area layout.  I did this to check that all my numbers.. "math again".. are correct and work on the actual frame.

4, The rough cover ready to get fitted.
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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle(In the attempt to build phase)
Reply #47 - Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:59pm
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You are the man Bob. You’re doing it right.
  
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Reply #48 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 6:22pm
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I'm thinking this should get moved to Gunsmithing, if a moderator thinks it would be appropriate.  When I started the thread, I was looking for collectors to see if I could get some information and didn't know if I would ever get going on it. 
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Reply #49 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 6:51pm
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Had a good day working on this!  I was pretty anxious about machining the frame and fitting the cover, mostly over being able to get the fit I was wanting.  While the cover isn't fitted yet it's lots closer!

These first two photo are the start to machining the frame to receive the cover.   You can see it's not machine all the way forward and the "keyed" area is not full depth.

The third photo is an angle gage I ended up making in order to be sure I had a solid setup.  I have trouble with regular angle gages sliding away from the part during setup.  This one is an inch thick,  hooks over the edge of the vise and is rock solid. 

Photo 4 is of cutting the angle.  I worked into the angle and down until I was up to the radius of the front panel and down to the depth line of the mortice.

5. Shows the angle complete in depth and up against the radius.

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Reply #50 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 7:09pm
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These next 3 photo shows the completed mortise.  In photo 5 there was still a small section to be removed from the bottom, up against the angled side.  

I setup the gun frame in the vice to finish the bottom of the mortise to final depth, and connecting the bottom to the angled side.  This was done by carefully lower the cut and moving forward  into the angle. 

4 and 5. By using the angle gage I made, I machined one side of the cover to see how good of a fit I would get.  By using the same gage to machine both the frame and the cover angles, in theory they should match and it appears they do fairly well.

Bob
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Reply #51 - Oct 23rd, 2022 at 6:25pm
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Got two of the three screws fitted now.  The front one also act like a dowel, the shoulder fits a reamed hole in the plate and frame.  It's not an interference fit, like a dowel would be, but a slip fit.  My thoughts are that the plate is held horizontally by the key and now  this screw will help keep it in position vertically.  The side plate also carries the side of the tumbler, oposite from hammer. 

The third screw carries the trigger, so waiting on it until I decide what size hole the trigger will end up with.  I have an idea what it will be but want to think about it a bit longer.

I machined the waste material from the top of the plate in order to get a better look at the fit.  Don't think it turned out too bad.  

Still need to get the screws indexed the way I want them and the heads trimmed to length.  Then machine the plate to the proper thickness.

A little perspective on this gun…..the screws have 1/4 inch heads.
Bob
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Reply #52 - Oct 23rd, 2022 at 11:58pm
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Don't think it turned out too bad.

You're a master of understatement, Bob; I can barely see the join line and that's mostly because I know where it should be.

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Reply #53 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 7:41pm
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In these first couple pictures I have the frame setup on the rotary table machining the top profile of the frame.  Although, I can only go so far forward and back.  The top tang is mostly straight from here back, and the the front cupped area over the breech block will be completed from the other side, where I can see how the back of the cup is forming.  The back rises up to the box that on the original held the primer pellets.

The third photo shows the main spring pocket being formed.  The larger round area retains the end of the spring while the straight area is where the spring works against.

In the fourth picture I am just cutting the inside radius of the lower tang.  Not shown here is where I removed the cover and extended this machining into the tumbler area.  At that time I also slightly changed the angle where the spring rests.  I felt the angel was a little too high originally, this gives the spring more working room.

I know it’s hard to see but this last photo shows the slight angle change.  It also shows the internals of lower tang completely machined.  The top middle tang screw eventually screws into the rear portion of lower tang, tying the two tangs together.
Bob
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Reply #54 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 7:55pm
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This next photo shows beginning of machining the bottom of the frame...which is on top as shown here.   

The second shows the bottom completed, completed on the rotary table.

Third is a clearer picture of the frame and what has been completed.  I still need the top end waste, so the upper tang will be machined out in a few days which will remove the waste material.

Fourth, I drilled and reamed the lever pivot hole and machined the radius around the hole.  I originally was going the make this hole 3/16 (.1875) but decided to make it a bit smaller at .156 after studying the original pictures.
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Reply #55 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 8:01pm
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Machine Shop Magic!

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Reply #56 - Oct 30th, 2022 at 6:12pm
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This thing is moving along faster than I anticipated.  Going to need to make some decisions on what caliber I want it to be, because I'm close to needing a barrel.  Either a 22 long rifle or 25-20ss (I have brass) would be easy.  It has a small 3/4 inch barrel shank, so that is a limiting factor.  I've had an interest, for quite sometime, in a 22-15-60 but have the obvious concerns.  I actually have 20 loaded original UMC rounds which I would not use, but because I have them, I think is why I have an interest in the cartridge.
Anyone have thought on this?
Bob

In this first photo I'm chopping out the space for the lever and extractor.

In the second, just cleaning up the back side of the pellet box (not a pellet box on this gun).  I just machined it down close to the frame because the back of the frame needs to be fully radiused anyway, which will remove most of the material I left.

The third is showing where I'm currently at in the build and what it looks like.
  

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Reply #57 - Oct 30th, 2022 at 6:29pm
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So now I'm ready to start on the breech block,  Since it's round, it needs a flat face cut for the barrel breech face and the slot machined for the lever and link.  The link pin will have an 8-32  threaded section on one end to retain it in the breech block.  

The first two pictures here are turning the breech block and it fitted in the frame.  It has not been machine for the barrel breech face as can be seen by the wide gap between the false barrel and frame

The third picture is the setup used to machine the flat face.  I did check it both on the vertical and horizontal axes to be sure it was in the vice straight to the mill.

I don't show milling the flat so here it is fitted to the false barrel face.  The false barrel is turned against the breech block and a small gap can still be seen between the barrel and frame.  While it doesn't matter here, it will with the real barrel.  This gap will be filled with a decorative spacer.

The last picture is the setup to machine the lever and link slots.  This setup was also check to be sure it was correct for milling.
  

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Reply #58 - Oct 30th, 2022 at 6:42pm
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So here is the breech block.  The flat face machine marks will be polished before fitting the barrel.  These picture make those tool tracks look lots worse than they are.  Everything is done except the pin hole.

The second photo is the breech block fitted in the frame showing the alignment required for proper lever function and space for the extractor.

Last is showing the pin boring complete, with the threaded end showing.
  

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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle(In the attempt to build phase)
Reply #59 - Oct 31st, 2022 at 8:59am
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Bob,
Thanks for sharing this build with us.   
I'm green with envy, not making the action so much but just not having the time in my world for a build.  I've managed to squeeze a little  project in here and there but mine are minuscule in comparison.   
Keep it up, I think the salt you're rubbing in is healing the wound a little  Grin Grin
Hope to share a little next week on a tiny project I have in the works...
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