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Light primer hits
Aug 20th, 2022 at 7:37pm
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First time Stevens owner.  Bought Stevens rifle to get into Schuetzen league and matches.  Rifle is a Stevens 44 1/2.  Original action but, the rest is rebuilt over 20 years ago.  Last owner used it very little and gun has been parked for more than 15 years.  33-47 configuration.  At first range outing won't fire.  Light marks on primer.  The case seems to pinch on closing with bright marks case head.  Tried filing a bit on the case head and a little penatrating oil on pin. Friend said to turn up main spring pressure by turning  a screw under action turning clockwise.  All attempts were no goes.  Next thing to try is pulling action apart.  Where can I get instructions for disassembling?  Any ideas on issue?
  

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Re: Light primer hits
Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2022 at 8:36pm
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No need to take the action apart. Just remove the stock and you will see the screw that holds the main spring. Tighten it to increase the pressure (but not so much that you can't cock the hammer!).
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 20th, 2022 at 8:45pm
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From de Hass - loosen the set screw holding the finger lever pin and drive out this pin.  With pin removed the entire breech block assembly can be pulled from the bottom of the receiver, including the finger lever, extracter, link and breech block.       
    This should let you inspect the firing pin length and operation.  HTH

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Reply #3 - Aug 20th, 2022 at 9:25pm
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Turn the action upside down to see the setscrew.  It's pretty small.
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 20th, 2022 at 9:59pm
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Ok going to basement to see if I can get this taken apart.  Nice clue to locate small screw.

Ok found set screw loosened that up and took pin out, extractor came out but, can't get lever and "action" out the bottom.  Any other thing that has to come out? Any screw on the side?  Hammer pulled back or forward?
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Reply #5 - Aug 20th, 2022 at 10:31pm
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You will need to cock the hammer to at least half cock.  Then while lowering the breech block the link will probably hit, it’s spring loaded but you can move it out of the way by moving the lever to rotate the link to clear.  Look at it from the bottom and you should be able to see the link and the direction to move it.

When going back together it can be hard to install the extractor.   Lay the action on its side, put the extractor in the lever pocket and carefully push the assembly in.  Once in, look through the pin hole and using a small punch line everything up, once aligned install the pin.  If it won’t line up, the extractor is probably out of place…try again.

Once out remove the screw in the side of the block and see if the firing pin moves forward.  If it doesn’t clean things up and see it then moves forward.  At that point, if these don’t help, you need to measure the protrusion.
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Reply #6 - Aug 20th, 2022 at 11:38pm
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I see the link.  When I rotate the lever forwards the top block is in alignment to come out.  When I rotate the lever backwards so the link rotates to a position it could get past the opening on the frame the top action becomes cooked inside frame.  The hammer is fully forward, or pulled back just slightly, or pulled all the way back.  Those are the three settings.  I feel like I'm missing something.  Still stuck.
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 12:42am
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Hammer back to half cock at least.  Is it possible that the firing pin hasn't retracted, so it's catching on the edge of the chamber?
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 6:11am
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I would remove the extractor from the bottom of the action in case that is jamming on something. Place the hammer on full cock and hold it back with one hand, so it won’t fire, and with the other hand try moving the link back in forth, without rotating the lever by grasping the lever and pulling back and forth and then down, you will have to overcome the spring pressure on the lever plunger while doing this. Hopefully it will come out unless it is hanging up on the firing pin tip as suggested. When you do get the breech block and lever assembly removed be careful of the breech block plunger and spring it will likely fall out, sometimes the plunger and spring are missing, as the rifle will function okay without it. Or possibly while trying to remove it, if the breech block was pushed up too high towards the top of of the action, the breech block plunger may have become un-seated and jammed in the breech block which will make it very difficult to remove, hopefully this didn’t happen.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 8:38am
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Honestly for me, the first time taking one apartment and back together was an exercise in frustration. Felt like I needed four more thumbs.

If you remove the barrel and the breech block plunger, it gets easier. It’s possible that some one has over tightened the screw for the plunger or it’s jammed.

When you remove the barrel, there is a set screw on the face of the action, under that is the spring and the plunger.

By removing the barrel you can also get an idea of firing pin protrusion since you have access to the front of the block.
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 10:31am
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Ok back in basement going over what is done.  Set screw hilding pin loosened and pin to lever tapped out. The extractor is out.
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 11:47am
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Sorry, completely forgot to mention the plunger.  Been installing and removing my breech block lots the last few days.  Been making and fitting a new lever and have the plunger out.
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Re: Light primer hits
Reply #12 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 12:02pm
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Mark,

I made a slave pin to hold the extractor in place when installing the breach block. It makes it a lot simpler. 
Since you live in North Central Wis. bring that shooter and parts down to the .22 mini palmer match at Wisconsin Rapids Wis. next weekend and I will help you put it back together. Cheesy If for some reason I cant come up there are shooters there that shoot the .44-1/2 CPA's that will help you.

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Re: Light primer hits
Reply #13 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 1:40pm
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Thanks it may come to that point.  I can get what I have taken apart put back together.  It's not much.  I just can't get the ...action...movement...firing group..(not sure or term) out the bottom of the frame.  Spent another hour wiggling.  No go.  Did not try taking barrel off.  I wonder if this issue may also have to do with it not firing.
  

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Re: Light primer hits
Reply #14 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 1:56pm
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A bound-up firing pin would give light strikes, fer sure.  The pin configuration is the only legitimate knock against the Stevens. The angle reduces the pin energy even when it is free, and it lacks any form of positive retraction.   

If you have the action back together with the extractor out, you can easily unscrew the barrel and see.   

Or, with barrel still in place, run a square-ended rod just under bore diameter in from the muzzle to push the pin back. (A trick all Sharps-Borchardt owners soon learn.)
  

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