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Re: Light primer hits
Reply #15 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 2:19pm
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Removing the forend will expose the plug screw for the breech block spring and plunger.  You can remove the spring and push back the plunger, in case it's hanging things up. I would then try pushing the breech block assembly back up with the lever in the closed position and the hammer at full cock.  Then try to lower the whole assembly down and out the bottom.

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Reply #16 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 5:01pm
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A short, tapered slave pin holding the extractor in place is definitely the way to go for reassembly. I cut off a piece of drill shank of the proper diameter and ground a rounded end on the side that has to be driven out by the insertion of the real pin. The lever is in a position short of being closed for assembly and disassembly. If the hammer is easy to cock, say with a finger instead of your thumb, there is not enough pressure on the mainspring.
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 5:16pm
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First I must say thanks for all who contributed so far to coming up with a resolution.  Each person added a piece to the puzzle.  Well the %** thing came out.  I took the handguard and the buttstock off the rifle to get a look at the workings and springs.  The diagram that was sent helped me figuring out how it works and how it was put together.  The issue was the plunger and screw.  The barrel put on the rifle is a larger octagon barrel.  When they put it on they must have turned the screw on the plunger in as far as possible.  The heavy octagon barrel covers at least 20% of the screw.  Laurie G had looked at the posts, called, and asked if it turned out at all.  It did back out about 3/4 of a turn.  I gave the action a pull and blop there it sat in my hand.  I think I invented about 8 new Latin curse words in the last 24 hours.  Now I can go back to the original problem of the light primer strike.
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 5:48pm
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Glad you were able to remove the breech block.
If needed CPA has new replacement firing pins and mainsprings for original 44 1/2’s in stock according to their website.
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 1st, 2022 at 11:47pm
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Am curious Angus, if you were able to find and fix the problem of light primer strikes?  Would be interested in the cause of same.

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Reply #20 - Sep 2nd, 2022 at 7:53am
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Working on your action is a lot easier with the barrel & block plunger removed. Problems with the firing pin & how it strikes the primer aside hammer fall is easy to adjust with the tension screw. Pushes up from the bottom obvious when you can see it.

Back together aligning with a tapered pin much easier than jiggling parts. I generally work the action couple times look at extractor make sure its in the right position  the replace the tapered pin with the workIng pin. Without pressure of the plunger makes a big difference. Plunger, spring & plunger screw last parts to go in. Then the barrel screws on.

If it’s not spring tension many other things can cause ignition problems. Most related to something dragging on the pins travel.

Easier shown than explained in print. Take up the offer attending match.

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Reply #21 - Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:07pm
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I ordered 2 new firing pins and 2 new springs from CPA online.  They just came today.  Neither fit.  The springs were my fault.  They are for a CPA made rifle.  The new firing pins are the same diameter but lack a small machined cut about 2/10ths of an inch behind the tip of the pin.  The spring just fits on and is retained on the firing pin by this cut.  From the tip of firing pin back to the thicker shank it makes a slight bend.  When I saw this I assumed it was bent and that was my issue so I ordered the new ones.  The new firing pins are the same length but, lack the bend and the machined cut for the spring.  Called Gail at CPA.  Original Stevens 44 1/2 rifles did not have springs.  Any ideas?  If I can figure out how to post pics I will post them.
  

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Re: Light primer hits
Reply #22 - Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:42pm
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Sounds like someone made a bushing for your breech block to install a smaller diameter firing pin. A retractable firing pin with spring is my guess? 

Oops, I re-read your post and see where you say the new firing pin is the same diameter, is the tip the same diameter? Can you see an outline of a bushing on the front of the breech block?
  
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Reply #23 - Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:45pm
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Pics of two firing pins. Bottom is new.  I think you can see the slight bend in the top firing pin.  The top/old pin will protrude from the breech block if pushed simulating hammer strike.  The new pin will not fit all they way into the breech.
  

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Reply #24 - Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:51pm
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Okay after I’ve seen your pictures I understand.
I wonder if it was an attempt to convert the breech block to centerfire or centerfire to rimfire?
  
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