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Record Grizzly Taken with .22 Single Shot
Jul 4th, 2022 at 2:24pm
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Picture of a Cooey single shot .22 which I restored; similar to the one Bella Twin shot a record Grizzly with in 1953 with seven .22 Longs.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:58pm
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I did that a couple times last week. Wink
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:06pm
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Okay, I have to ask. All seven shots appear to be in the skull, and tightly grouped. Perhaps a trapped bear near death? I would like to hear the full story. Is there a reference?
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:18pm
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This took place as you can tell by the picture many, many  moons ago and it has been out there as long as I can remember so really nothing new.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 5th, 2022 at 5:56pm
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Having lived my whole life in grizzly country, I have always kept this lady in mind while listening to some newcomer expound what large gun is needed for bear protection. Another story, one I don't remember the source , was related by some outdoor writer on a hunt in Alaska and everybody (out of state hunters) was sitting around debating the best rifle for the outback of Alaska. Finally somebody asked the old Indian guide (who packed something like a 22 Hornet or 25/20) what he thought was the best gun. "Got any gun, got good gun." was his answer.
moral of the stories is, "It's still 90% Indian and 10% bow and arrow."
Here is a link to Bella's story;
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a great story, thanks for sharing.   tony<><
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 5th, 2022 at 8:13pm
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I learned of Bella Twin's Grizzly kill from her granddaughter.
She was my Cook for my aboriginal wildfire crew on a Slave Lake  forest fire in 1982. 
She was extremely proud of her grandmother who passed on her Cree ways and I continue to bring forward her remarkable story for those who may not have heard of it.

The Grizzly Bears of the Swan Hills are some of the largest because they are considered hybrids of the Rocky Mountain Grizzly and the larger Plains Grizzly which are now extinct.

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I had one of these large Grizzlies chase and kill a moose fifty yards from my tree planters and then snarled as it drug the moose back to the tree line.
For some reason the tree planters quit on me.
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Reply #7 - Jul 5th, 2022 at 8:43pm
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Thanks kootne    I appreciate the reference.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 9th, 2022 at 12:47pm
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But a 32-40 is not enough to hunt a deer with, eh? Huh
Must have something to do with the skill of the hunter.
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Reply #9 - Jul 9th, 2022 at 1:25pm
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I have to say, It may have been her only choice in the situation she faced, but it would be sheer foolhardiness to set out to hunt a grizzly bear with a 22 long, or a 32-40 for that matter. If you would disagree, be my guest. IMNSHO it might strengthen the gene pool.
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 9th, 2022 at 6:39pm
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Jack O'Connor wrote of an Alaskan Game Warden named Hosea Farber (iirc) who told of Native American hunters who routinely shot Griz with a 22 Hornet or even 22lr.  Somehow, they were able to run the bear down with dogs, then get the bear to chase the hunter up a tree, which the bear was too heavy to climb.  They would then shoot the bear in the skull and throat which caused it to eventually bleed out.
He also discussed how many hunters never returned after trying this...

Me, I'm insecure about hunting things that include me on their prey item list.  As Robert Ruark wrote, "Use Enough Gun...".

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Reply #11 - Jul 9th, 2022 at 7:12pm
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Buffalo Bore, a specialty ammo manufacturer has a modern account of defensively taking an Alaskan Brown bear with a 9mm, under their +P outdoorsman ammo. That's much more cartridge than a 22 long, but probably not exactly bear medicine. It doesn't appear there was time for the perfect shot, just unload on the vitals.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 11th, 2022 at 8:14am
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Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do ! Looks like that lady held her cool and did what she had to do . Impressive self control !
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:07pm
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Almost any firearm will kill a grizzly…if the bullet enters the brain.  Karamojo Bell used a 7x57 for most of the hundreds of elephants he poached - who today would hunt elephant with a 7x57 rifle?   I shot my brownie at 30 yards with a heavy loaded .45-70 and still felt undergunned…




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Reply #14 - Jul 27th, 2022 at 12:43pm
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I have heard of that story pretty interesting to me I read about it when I was a kid and outdoor life I think it was. I had an uncle who lived in Alaska in the 1950s or early 60s he took a grizzly bear with a bow and arrow he was pretty proud of that fact I think he was crazy.
  
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Reply #15 - Jul 28th, 2022 at 4:44pm
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The bear died of old age, woman found it and put a bunch of shots into it.  Those Canadians will do anything for attention.   Grin
  

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Reply #16 - Jul 28th, 2022 at 7:16pm
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Nah, Joe, it was bad indigestion from someone he ate - probably the first one who shot him with a .22.
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 28th, 2022 at 9:04pm
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The bear asked whats on TV?  ....to which I replied "Dust"....and thats when the fight started.
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 11th, 2022 at 3:46am
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The Bella Twin story is legendary!
I once heard of an old Yupik man when I was in Alaska who hunted polar bear with a .25-20 Winchester 1892.
Though, there was some prep work. They'd sharpen the ends of a large bone, boil it until it was malleable, bend the edges together, freeze it and slather it in blood and loose pieces of meat. The bear would find and swallow it, the bone would that in it's stomach, un bending and slicing its stomach. 
.25-20 was just to put it out of misery.

So the story goes, at least.
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:25am
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This morning I shot an alligator in my pajamas.
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Reply #20 - Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:12pm
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When Groucho supposedly originated that joke, it was an elephant rather than an alligator.  Still a great joke.

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Reply #21 - Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:43pm
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Yeah, but Rebel really does have alligators in his back yard;-)
  
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Reply #22 - Dec 29th, 2022 at 7:07pm
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I wonder if she had fumble fingers, loading each of those 7 shots one at a time  Cheesy

We have lots of grizz up by my cabin.  The last one I spotted by accident while lying on my stomach peering into the septic tank trying to figure out how to get the broken pump out.  I heard a sound and noticed a grizz only 20 feet behind me.  Fortunately he was preoccupied with some berry bushes. Probably best I didn't have the old .22 Cooey with me  Grin 

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Reply #23 - Dec 30th, 2022 at 3:21am
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gunlaker wrote on Dec 29th, 2022 at 7:07pm:
I wonder if she had fumble fingers, loading each of those 7 shots one at a time  Cheesy

We have lots of grizz up by my cabin.  The last one I spotted by accident while lying on my stomach peering into the septic tank trying to figure out how to get the broken pump out.  I heard a sound and noticed a grizz only 20 feet behind me.  Fortunately he was preoccupied with some berry bushes. Probably best I didn't have the old .22 Cooey with me  Grin 

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Reply #24 - Dec 30th, 2022 at 1:28pm
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westerner wrote on Dec 30th, 2022 at 3:21am:
gunlaker wrote on Dec 29th, 2022 at 7:07pm:
I wonder if she had fumble fingers, loading each of those 7 shots one at a time  Cheesy

We have lots of grizz up by my cabin.  The last one I spotted by accident while lying on my stomach peering into the septic tank trying to figure out how to get the broken pump out.  I heard a sound and noticed a grizz only 20 feet behind me.  Fortunately he was preoccupied with some berry bushes. Probably best I didn't have the old .22 Cooey with me  Grin 

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So, what happened?  Huh


I was eaten alive Smiley.   

Actually there was a good breeze going from the grizz to me so I guess somehow it didn't notice me.  I just stood up very slowly and carefully snuck up the hill to the cabin. Once I got to the cabin porch I yelled at it.  It then casually wandered off to the north.  Lucky too because I didn't have 7 .22 LR shells Smiley

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"I was eaten alive"

I was hoping you might say that.  Grin
  

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Reply #26 - Dec 30th, 2022 at 5:45pm
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Chris,
Back in the 1980's three of us drove up to B.C. to be taken into a remote lake for a fishing trip. The 11 mile drive into the lake took 3 hours by 4x4, and when we arrived we heard a commotion. We looked to see where all the hollering came from and saw an old fella chasing a 200 lb. black bear with a broom, and swatting it on the rear as he yelled at it!
Once he returned we found out he was the caretaker, and we asked if bears were a problem? He told us most stayed away, but this young one hadn't learned to stay away yet, and that he ran it out of camp about every other day.
We were there four days, and watched this bear-broom thing twice more before our trip ended.
  

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Reply #27 - Dec 30th, 2022 at 5:55pm
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Chris, how'd ya get that septic tank pump out? Why did you need one anyhow-like, maybe your neighbor wanted a jug or two? 
I always called the 'guy' and he brung his own pump when needed.
I never peered into the place, either. Happy New Year. 
My bear story is just that I let 'em eat the garbage in camp because I ain't gonna fight a bear over a sack of garbage, even though I was better armed than a .22.
  
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Reply #28 - Dec 30th, 2022 at 6:32pm
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Yeah black bears are usually not a big problem.  Pretty much all of them I've seen go away when you shout at them or throw rocks.  I was at the range one day, early, so I could clear a little bit of brush for prone shooting.  I looked up and silhouetted against the target frames was a young mama black bear.  I have no idea whether there were 3 or 4 cubs because they were playing and zooming in and out of the bush so fast I couldn't keep track.  I yelled at the mama bear and she abandoned her cubs and ran into the bush.  I backed off a hundred yards or so and just watched them all playing Smiley.

The septic pump was easy.  The place doesn't get used too much so the tank wasn't stinky.  The guy who installed the system had it set up so all I needed to do was remove a fitting, cut a few straps, and haul it out on a rope he attached.  Lucky for me the impeller was just jammed so it was a quick fix.  Good thing because the nearest town with a bona fide plumber is 2 hours away.

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glad ya didn't have to dive any deeper into your problem.  Roll Eyes
I only had a few bear experiences, none were bad- I just sat calmly and let 'em have their room. most left in a few minutes. Often, I had a big Ruger six-gun at hand, though. All black bears.
  
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Reply #30 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:27am
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At the Talkeetna lodge, AK is a mounted Grizzly which was shot by a ten year old girl (Fern Spaulding-Rivers) in 1996 with a 375 H & H. It notes, she wore a McCoy Shoulder armor to protect her from the recoil. It took her two shots. The first was was at around 30 yards. luckily the bear didn't charge because her her second shot was at over a hundred yards. 
  

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When we were at the lodge a few years ago, they would put signs on all the exterior doors warning guests of bear sighting on the grounds.
  

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Reply #32 - Jan 30th, 2023 at 8:35am
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Mike Otterberg took this 400+ pound black bear with a flintlock a couple years ago.  One shot was all it took.
  

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Reply #33 - Jan 30th, 2023 at 5:43pm
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Of course Mike probably needed bear grease for his bullet lube. I see there are trees so he never shot it off his porch. Were there bear steaks at his next Schuetzen BBQ?

And of course the bow record is:

Score: 27 1/16? (B&C and P&Y) and 27 8/16" (SCI)

Midway through his hunt near Unalakeet, Alaska, Rodney Debias and his guide suddenly encountered this massive grizzly bear at just 17 yards. Somehow, he managed to keep his cool during that hair-raising encounter and send an arrow into the bear's vitals. It dropped after running about 50 yards. Because Debias used lighted nocks on his arrow, the Pope & Young Club did not officially certify this as the world-record grizzly bear until after they changed their rules to allow lighted nocks a few years ago. However, this old bruin is now the biggest grizzly bear ever killed by a bow hunter. He was also the biggest grizzly bear ever killed for a few years until Shane Swiderski and Bob Steed killed their grizzly bears in 2013.
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Reply #34 - Feb 25th, 2023 at 5:45pm
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Phil Shoemaker, Alaskan Guide, killed a grizzly with a 9mm handgun. But Phil is an experienced guide who was in a tight corner.

Having homestead land in the Interior, I prefer lever action rifles like the 1886 and Model 71 in 348 or 450 Alaskan. Remember, a grizzly who is defending a kill or has been in a fight recently with another bear-is a different animal. No bolt gun can keep up with a slick lever action-for repeat shots. That is why the old 86s and 1895 Marlins are used there. I carry a 450 Alaskan in grizzly country where fresh bear sign or broken salmon are along streams.
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rkba2nd wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 8:43pm:
Thanks kootne    I appreciate the reference.


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Reply #36 - Apr 5th, 2023 at 12:44am
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   Thanks for another good read. It seems to me, that the only person who knows the truth for sure is Bella bella. For her to do what it is claimed she did, she must have had only the one choice. Regardless, she will forever hold her own in the record books.
  

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Reply #37 - Apr 5th, 2023 at 10:38am
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I haven't been on the forum for awhile. Moving from Alaska to Arizona 10 miles north of Mexico. Since I spent 30 some years in Brown Bear country I can say for certain that when you're slipping through the woods looking for a moose and a Brown Bear stands up and looks at you, whatever gun you have in your hand feels pretty darn small!
  
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