ASSRA Forum - Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare...

ASSRA Forum › General › Gunsmithing Single Shot Rifles › Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare...

(Moderator Group: Moderator)

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

Page Index Toggle

Pages: [1] 2

Hot Topic (More than 10 Replies)

Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... (Read 2619 times)

1Hawkeye Junior Member Offline Posts: 60 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2019	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... May 7^th, 2022 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	I'd give Lee Shaver a call and go over what you have with him. It sounds like you stepped in it good with a badly done centerfire conversion and rechambering. If your in the rifle cheap you won't get stung to bad last I knew Lee got about 100.00 for a rf to cf conversion and about 450.00 for a reline. Lee's a good guy and he's pulled a lot of peoples fat out of the fire over the years. Lee Shaver Gunsmithing 417-682-3330 Good luck


	IP Logged

gwahir Senior Forum Member Offline Ve gets too soon olt und too late shmart. Posts: 397 Location: montana Joined: Dec 31^st, 2005	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #1 - May 7^th, 2022 at 4:50pm	Print Post
	About the 22rf block that you can get, go for it. It's square shape suggests it came from a low wall musket. Nothing wrong with that. You will need a 22 extractor, but you will have a rifle well worth the effort!
	« Last Edit: May 7^th, 2022 at 4:56pm by gwahir »

	IP Logged

gnoahhh Oldtimer Offline Posts: 758 Location: Annapolis, MD Joined: Mar 31^st, 2010	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #2 - May 7^th, 2022 at 4:56pm	Print Post
	Yes, it's not the end of the world. A simple lining job (sorry, I can't call it a re-line if it's not been lined before!) can be performed by a lot of folks - it's not rocket science. Low Wall breech blocks pop up on eBay quite often, but it's not a difficult task for a competent machinist to bush your breech block face and install a new firing pin.


	IP Logged

Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1643 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #3 - May 7^th, 2022 at 5:52pm	Print Post
	I would sit down with a paper and pencil and try to lay out your different options price-wise. A new barrel is going to cost you probably in the neighborhood of $6-800 unless you have a really reasonably priced gunsmith. A reline has been mentioned at $450. Make sure you know the difference in your breech-blocks before you buy one. A Centerfire breech block will be square in the front where the rimfire breech-block will have a bevel to cam the case into the chamber. Sears are not a big problem as MVA makes one reasonably priced and I'm sure others do too. I'm sure the DZ arms breech blocks are nice but at that price it's going to really cause the price of your rifle to mount. Check with C Sharps Arms as they make low walls as well and will probably sell you a breech block but I don't know at what price. Make sure once you decide what caliber you want, stick to it as you can't change midstream because of the differences in the breech blocks. What is the exterior like? Are you going to try to restore it or leave it as is? If you're going to leave it as is, I'd look for a used low wall breach block as your parts will then match. Be patient and one will show up that you should be able to pick up at a reasonable price. Walls are addictive and the easiest single-shot rifle out there for a person to learn to work on.


	IP Logged

Packet Full Member Offline Posts: 112 Location: Port Orange, FL Joined: Jul 18^th, 2019	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #4 - May 7^th, 2022 at 6:46pm	Print Post
	As for the breech block. Find a number 8 bolt that will fit within the breech face and cover the existing fp holes. Drill and tap for it. Thread the bolt in as far as you want it. Drill firing pin hole where it should be. Level the bolt with breech face. And now you have a re-manufactured breech bolt
	« Last Edit: May 7^th, 2022 at 6:55pm by Packet »

	IP Logged

n.r.davis Oldtimer Offline Posts: 563 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2015	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #5 - May 7^th, 2022 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	My question because I just don't know is, can the hole in the Breach Block be welded? David


	IP Logged

ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1737 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #6 - May 7^th, 2022 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	Packet wrote on May 7^th, 2022 at 6:46pm: As for the breech block. Find a number 8 bolt that will fit within the breech face and cover the existing fp holes. Drill and tap for it. Thread the bolt in as far as you want it. Drill firing pin hole where it should be. Level the bolt with breech face. And now you have a re-manufactured breech bolt Have you calculated the breech thrust against your bolt, and determined that it is adequate for that, or will the threads give way? Here's a piece of info that you can watch, that says to me I'd be damn careful about fixing a breechblock this way: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I'd definitely calculate the breech thrust, and get some solid information on the strength of the bolt and the block, before I'd venture there.


	IP Logged

cellargun Participating Member Offline Posts: 36 Joined: Feb 28^th, 2022	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #7 - May 7^th, 2022 at 11:09pm	Print Post
	MVA sells parts and pieces for M1885s. Give them a call for a breechblock and extractor.


	IP Logged

John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1644 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #8 - May 7^th, 2022 at 11:28pm	Print Post
	I get jobs in like this quite often. Breach block is not hard to fix and there are several ways to do it. I usually bore in about 1/8" and big enough diameter to cover the problem area then insert a dick made from a tough steel, some times from old springs. The firing pin can be drilled and a piece of piano wire the right size inserted. I do several liner jobs each month and they are not all that hard to do. The liner for 32 has a .5" OD. Pacific tool and gauge makes a nice piloted drill that will take a threaded extension. Boring the barrel out to 35, 38 or 44 is also an option as long as you stay with a cartridge that will not over pressure the action. I do like the 32 S&W and have a couple rifles chambered for it. Because it is a low pressure round and with lead bullet you can get by with a 308 barrel, just need a chamber reamer with the right pilot. A while back I did a barrel for a customer that will chamber 30 carbine and 32-20 on a 308 barrel. A lathe and mill are quite helpful for doing the job.

	John Taylor Machinist/gunsmith
	WWW IP Logged

830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 394 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #9 - May 7^th, 2022 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	I've got a slightly different approach that may get you where your trying to go in a more budget friendly way. If it were mine: I would start by sending the barreled action to someone like Hardcastle or Shaver to verify it's a candidate for rework. Assuming it's ok, one of them can take care of the centerfire block issue and also recut or replace the sear. Next, I would have the gunsmith ship it to JES and have it rebored and chambered to 38 special ($250). This also solves the extractor issues. Readily available, inexpensive components and fun to shoot. Just my 2 cents worth

	J. Scott McCash&&New Braunfels, TX&&830-237-2376&&jsmccash@yahoo.com
	IP Logged

uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #10 - May 8^th, 2022 at 12:00am	Print Post
	I once plugged a High Wall breechblock with a 1/4" pipe thread plug, then drilled for new firing pin tip. It stood up to .22 Lovell until I lost interest in Winchesters generally. Maybe 60-70 rounds. .38 Special would be an excellent option, IMHO.

	<div class=
	IP Logged

Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1643 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #11 - May 8^th, 2022 at 11:11am	Print Post
	What would be an average price that a gunsmith would charge for repairing a breech block?


	IP Logged

830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 394 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #12 - May 8^th, 2022 at 11:54am	Print Post
	Once again, if it were mine, I would only consider one of the proven single shot gunsmiths that you could expect a reasonable turn around time. To my way of thinking, that list would include Hardcastle, Shaver and Taylor. There are others but those are the ones friends of mine have had experience with. Quality, experienced and fair. I don't want a guy who's primary gunsmithing business is swapping parts on a AR learning on my rifle.

	J. Scott McCash&&New Braunfels, TX&&830-237-2376&&jsmccash@yahoo.com
	IP Logged

Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 838 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #13 - May 8^th, 2022 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 12:00am: I once plugged a High Wall breechblock with a 1/4" pipe thread plug, then drilled for new firing pin tip. It stood up to .22 Lovell until I lost interest in Winchesters generally. Maybe 60-70 rounds. .38 Special would be an excellent option, IMHO. Unless you are set on .32 S&W, I would have the barrel re-bored to .38 special. I have had JES re-bore four barrels, and I have been quite pleased with the work, cost is about $250 and turn around time is around 2 weeks. Of course someone else would have repair your breech block.


	IP Logged

uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: HELP. Low Wall nightmare... Reply #14 - May 8^th, 2022 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	Does JES have an email address? I can find his phone number on his web site, but I'm too deaf to use a phone without thoroughly annoying my interlocutor. Snailmail is much too slow.

	<div class=
	IP Logged

Page Index Toggle

Pages: [1] 2

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

« Board Index ‹ Board Top

Top

ASSRA Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2024. All Rights Reserved.

Valid XHTML

Valid CSS

Powered by Perl

Source Forge

Page completed in 0.4954 seconds.