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Reply #60 - Jan 4th, 2022 at 3:33pm
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What is your problem? 
I had my youngest grand daughter read it and she was able to understand the first time out. 
Not trying to be at all demeaning to you but you don't seem to have a have problem doing it to anyone else?
Including Westerner who was also just stating the facts about the Benchrest matches and those who built those rifles including Pope himself. 
God forbid that you ever have a stroke like myself as it does make it abit more difficult to post what is ones head.
And I damn sure don't want any sympathy from anyone who is on this site. 
If want to know how many entered the Benchrest matches in the past and what the actual payouts were. Do like most of us here do and do your own research Dellet and then let us all know what you found out. Instead of questioning everyone else whom you never seem to believe in the first the place!   
  

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Reply #61 - Jan 4th, 2022 at 3:44pm
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I don't need a challenge why don't you do the same and I and maybe others here might have also thought those targets were being shot at 100 yards. 
  

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Reply #62 - Jan 4th, 2022 at 5:39pm
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Jlouis, you have a lot to offer, but it comes with a cost that many are not willing to pay. That’s too bad. I really don’t have a problem and when you admit you are wrong, I’ll admit to being an ass.

It’s not rocket science to figure out that most of Popes barrels were not destined for the bench. He made somewhere around 8000, I believe. The bench rest market was too small to pay the bills. No doubt many of his barrels went to top competition shooters, but even in that arena the market was fairly small. As a business person he has to go where the money was. That does not in any way take away from his accomplishments, but it is certainly no reason to canonize him or elevate those achievements past what they actually were. 

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Chicken's were three shots for a Dollar and Turkey's were three shots for five. Everyone who shot my rifle would easily go home with all four and most with only having to buy but one ticket.
 
No matter how you want to spin it, that says four birds going home on one ticket. 
You love to nit pick everyone else, why the double standard and anger towards me? I’m not angry with you just curious as to the double standards and shifting goal posts.

As for my comment to Westerner, I think he understood my meaning, if you needed further explanation all you had to do was ask, and would have given you the above clarification. If Westerner has a problem with the way I delivered it. He’s welcome to slap me upside the head and make me buy breakfast the next time I see him.

As for doing my own research, I can verify that Fecker never worked for Sidle.

Rimfire distances for benchrest are generally standardized at 50 yards unless otherwise noted. I made sure that you knew it was not 200 as that was the distance being discussed. Sorry that confused you. I was just trying to get you out to have some fun, challenge removed.

Lighten up.









  
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Reply #63 - Jan 4th, 2022 at 6:32pm
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I believe I had said it was Pope who worked Sidle after the earthquake in San Francisco. I don't recall mentioning that Fecker also worked there but I could be wrong. But I do believe that Sidle used Feckers scope mounts and I could also be wrong?
  

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Reply #64 - Jan 4th, 2022 at 8:29pm
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JLouis wrote on Jan 4th, 2022 at 6:32pm:
I believe I had said it was Pope who worked Sidle after the earthquake in San Francisco. I don't recall mentioning that Fecker also worked there but I could be wrong. But I do believe that Sidle used Feckers scope mounts and I could also be wrong?

Wrong on both counts, 

JLouis wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 12:32pm:
I believe I read that Fecker first went to work for John Sidle before going out on his own but I could also be wrong. If so that is where the similarities might have come from including his adjustable scope mounts

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Sidle was long out of business, pre WWI, before Fecker started. Post WWI.
  
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Reply #65 - Jan 4th, 2022 at 10:40pm
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May I make a suggestion?

If you want to insult someone, or participate in an argument, (as opposed to a respectful conversation) please do it privately. 
Just my two cents for what its worth. 
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Reply #66 - Jan 5th, 2022 at 1:37am
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For the little it is worth, at this time, the scope on the rifle in the photo is a Fecker. The Sidle scope and mounts are not on the rifle but place above the rifle. 
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Reply #67 - Jan 5th, 2022 at 3:48am
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Joe_S wrote on Jan 4th, 2022 at 10:40pm:
May I make a suggestion?

If you want to insult someone, or participate in an argument, (as opposed to a respectful conversation) please do it privately. 
Just my two cents for what its worth. 
Joe S

Joe, you have my apologies for my part in this debacle.
I have already admitted to acting like an ass in this thread, admitted that it is conduct like this that drives people away and apologized to cbashooter privately for derailing his thread. I was not my intent to escalate this as far as it went, but I was willing to go there for many reasons.

It takes two willing people for this to happen. I don’t think you have seen my name associated with this type of behavior before, and likely never will again. But sometimes things need to be called out, as you did here, as wrong. Doing that privately is not always the best for the community. 

Again I apologize to you and everyone else offended by the exchange.
  
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Reply #68 - Jan 5th, 2022 at 4:09am
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You will find in various places on the forum when threads go  like this JLewis is always involved.
You owe no apology Dellet.
  
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Reply #69 - Jan 5th, 2022 at 4:22am
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fallingblock wrote on Jan 5th, 2022 at 1:37am:
For the little it is worth the scope on the rifle in the photo is a Fecker. The Sidle scope and mounts are not on the rifle but place above the rifle. 
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Thanks for the confirmation Laurie.

As far as I can tell, the the scope as pictured on the rifle, would not have been available until 6-7 years after the death of John Sidle in 1918. 
  
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Reply #70 - Jan 5th, 2022 at 1:29pm
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John Sidle retired in around 1909, which is why Pope only worked for him one year. Fecker didn't start his business until the mid 1920's, so Sidle never used Fecker mounts on his scopes 15 years or more before Fecker made scopes and mounts.
Unertl worked for Fecker prior to starting his own scope business, and he did use Fecker mounts, which he purchased from his former employer. Not sure how many years he used Fecker mounts before he got his own mounts designed and in use?
  

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Reply #71 - Jan 5th, 2022 at 2:02pm
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" John Fecker didn't start his business until the mid 1920's, so Sidle never used Fecker mounts on his scopes. "

Thanks for the clarification Vall I wasn't sure if I actually had that right or not.   
  

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Reply #72 - Jan 5th, 2022 at 2:13pm
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Cbashooter that was totally uncalled for and then you blame others rather than yourself when conversations take a turn for the worst.
  

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Reply #73 - Jan 5th, 2022 at 2:16pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jan 5th, 2022 at 1:29pm:
John Sidle retired in around 1909, which is why Pope only worked for him one year. Fecker didn't start his business until the mid 1920's, so Sidle never used Fecker mounts on his scopes 15 years or more before Fecker made scopes and mounts.
Unertl worked for Fecker prior to starting his own scope business, and he did use Fecker mounts, which he purchased from his former employer. Not sure how many years he used Fecker mounts before he got his own mounts designed and in use?

My understanding is that Sidle did continue to make scopes after closing the business possibly as late as 1915. Notably for Mann & Neidner, maybe a few others. But either way Sidle died long before Fecker started out in 1922 or made his first mounts in 1925 or so.

Fecker would have been in school or working for Bausch & Lomb or Warner & Swasey (seems there are conflicting accounts) from 1909-20. No where near California or Philadelphia.
  
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Reply #74 - Jan 5th, 2022 at 2:20pm
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Dellet I believe I read the same about Sidle at some point in time but I don't recall where.
  

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