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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18067 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #30 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:20am	Print Post
	Cbashooter wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:14am: Agree Marlinguy. These guys doing this long range 22 precision stuff is definitely a challenge.The point of my post was they think are the only people that have shot 22 is at long range. And I think they just underestimate the accuracy of our single shots. It's all new to these guys and they're having a bunch of fun. Every shooting discipline has its own set of challenges. I hope it didn't seem like I was putting it down. No, I didn't take your post that way. And they're making the same mistake I was referring to by thinking theirs is the only game in town, or nobody else can do what they are doing. I was more referring to the general misconceptions many make, and to those here who have the attitude that their favorite single shot style of shooting is the only one, and the toughest one to compete in. I'd suggest that anyone who criticizes another shooting sport should simply give it a try, and see if they can be competitive, or simply embarrassed by how they do in it.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1634 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #31 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:31am	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:20am: Cbashooter wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:14am: Agree Marlinguy. These guys doing this long range 22 precision stuff is definitely a challenge.The point of my post was they think are the only people that have shot 22 is at long range. And I think they just underestimate the accuracy of our single shots. It's all new to these guys and they're having a bunch of fun. Every shooting discipline has its own set of challenges. I hope it didn't seem like I was putting it down. No, I didn't take your post that way. And they're making the same mistake I was referring to by thinking theirs is the only game in town, or nobody else can do what they are doing. I was more referring to the general misconceptions many make, and to those here who have the attitude that their favorite single shot style of shooting is the only one, and the toughest one to compete in. I'd suggest that anyone who criticizes another shooting sport should simply give it a try, and see if they can be competitive, or simply embarrassed by how they do in it. I got rather embarrassed one time making a comment that hunter benchrest didn't seem that difficult compared to csst bullet matches. So I went and shot a match. It was freaking hard. The cool part was all the guys were really impressed that I showed up with a cast bullet rifle to compete.


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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2368 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #32 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	I find these thoughts and opinions very interesting and appreciate the comments. I rub elbows with a few folks that shoot our rimfire discipline and compete a lot - but the opinion many have regarding distances exceeding 200 yards is very low. The feel they have no control over the ammo and that is the variance that limits everything, anything beyond that distance is a crap shoot. The impression I get from them is they're not going to waste their time shooting in something where that variable isn't controllable. On the other side of the coin though, I see a few folks that take their single shots, their bolt guns and even a few autos, spend tremendous amounts of time and resources and come up with a solution that works. I don't believe they have consistent results that can be achieved with CF and reloads but they've exceeded results I ever thought possible. When I first started shooting the 200 to 400 yard distances, I felt that hits were mostly just luck. With some processes and procedures, it really isn't - all luck. Now, a recent conversation with a shooter that spends considerable money and time (he has both) says he's shooting 500 and 600 yards. I'm a skeptic. His little group of peers is bragging different and I got the invite to join them...may change my outlook again. Looks like I may have to build a taller sight staff for the Hepburn. Greg

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Gard72977 Full Member Offline Posts: 201 Location: Tupelo MS Joined: Dec 18^th, 2016	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #33 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	Here is my Vudoo in a JP chassis with ZCO 5-27 scope. Its sports an adjustable 20mil ERA-TAC Scope mount(for long range plinking). This is top notch equipment meant to increase your odds of first shot hits on small targets on distanceses out to 200yds. None of this gaurentees success. But if you think a vintage scope on a single shot will compete your are sadly mistaken. Its not just about accurracy. It putting the gun in a awkarward shooting position and making the most of it. Your scope has to give you the best options in reticle and adjustments. Its still skill but the right equipment means a lot.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #34 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 12:12pm	Print Post
	Unfortunately to now be competitive in Rimfire Tactical the rifles, optics etc. are now well beyond being affordable. It too has now become a very costly sport to get into.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #35 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm	Print Post
	The comment was based on something that was actually reasonable for younger folks to get into. Some of these Tactical rifles to actually now be competitive can add up to $8000.00. Don't take my word for it just look it up. They have now become based on Remington 700 Military Sniper rifles. Including the appropriate Optics. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2612 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #36 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	I wouldn't want to bring any of our single shots to a PRS event. Guaranteed last place . They would work slightly less good than bringing a PRS rifle to a single shot match. Chris.


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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1661 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #37 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	The 22 rimfire shooters are unquestionably a strange and varied group, but they're still just plinkers IMO.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #38 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 5:59pm	Print Post
	That is in no way at all true Jeff!

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18067 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #39 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	ssdave wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 3:33pm: Nothing is affordable. You just have to decide what you want to do, and do it anyway. 100% agree! I wish there was some magical button to push and instantly make all competitive rifles $50 ea. But since it's never going to happen, people have to decide what their priorities are, and what type of guns and shooting allow them to enjoy it. Or what they might do without in order to enjoy it? We need a roof over our heads, food in our bellies, and a job to pay taxes, and utilities. After that everything is really a luxury, and each person chooses where they spend their money. I recall my late brother in law telling me he wished he could get into shooting, but "it's too expensive". At the time we were talking he was holding a Starbucks coffee cup, and I asked what that cost him? He said it cost $3.50 and I asked how many of those he drank a day? He told me a couple usually, and maybe three occasionally! So a little quick math and I told him he was spending at the least $220 a month on coffee, and it wouldn't take long to stop and save for a gun. I didn't even mention his 2 pack a day smoking habit, which might have cost more than those cups of Starbucks coffee! Point is, I've not indulged in a lot of things, so I could save to buy what's important to me. And it's never been easy with a single income family, and five kids. But everybody was warm and stomachs were full. And I got to enjoy my guns and shooting. Just a case of priorities.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1634 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #40 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	ssdave wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 1:01pm: CBAShooter, here's something that might be fun to go to if you want to do some .22 rimfire competition. It's in Pendleton Oregon, so probably within driving distance of most eastern Washington locations. I think it's be the ones my buddy helps run. He owns D-M targets and makes some really nice steel swinging stuff. It's not an easy game.my main point was that many(not all) in the sport think they have invented rimfire accuracy and long range shooting with rimfire.or comments like "the CZ and Anschutz can keep up to 200 yards but after 200 the Voodoo shoots better" (22plinkster YouTube) HUH? IT Makes bullets magic past 200?
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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1308 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #41 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 9:21pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 12:12pm: Unfortunately to now be competitive in Rimfire Tactical the rifles, optics etc. are now well beyond being affordable. It too has now become a very costly sport to get into. Not if you shoot in what I believe is called the “base class” for PRS rimfire. Production rifles and optics with a cost limit of I believe $1000 total. Doing everything they can to make a cheap shooter class available.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18067 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #42 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	ssdave wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 8:16pm: Cbashooter wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:07pm: comments like "the CZ and Anschutz can keep up to 200 yards but after 200 the Voodoo shoots better" (22plinkster YouTube) HUH? IT Makes bullets magic past 200? Probably not directly making bullets magic, but very well could be doing something slightly different. For instance, maybe have a 15 twist, or a slightly different rifling profile that deforms the bullet less. Something that affects accuracy at longer range/slower speed, that the rifles that are designed for 50M or 100 yard accuracy do not take into account, because it's a non-factor for their intended use. I know I can fire some of my BPCR rifles with the same ammo as another rifle, and have them be a lot more accurate at long distance, but there's no apparent difference at closer ranges. I've even had rifles that appeared to get more accurate at longer distances than they were at shorter distances. So, it's possible. Conversely, it could just be wishful justification for having a nice rifle. That in itself can inspire confidence and better performance. When you begin to stretch out the ranges you shoot at, and do so with rifles that are barely super sonic velocities, you have a whole other group of unknowns to consider. You might be behind your gun with a gentle 10 mph crosswind, and the projectile headed out 500-1000 yds. could have an arc that's 50'-60' above the muzzle when it peaks and begins to drop back down to the target. So what works at 100-200 yds. with bullets traveling through known cross winds, now has another variable to consider. And not just the question of what it's doing as it exits the muzzle, or at the top of it's flight, but what kind of wind speeds, and directions it might travel through as it makes it's way upward, and all the way out to 500-1000 yds. It can be frustrating at times, but every great long range shooter will tell you the winningest of them are those who can judge the wind, and correct for it. Especially when the wind gets really crazy, and the vast majority can't hardly hit at all. I can easily see how the challenge of shooting a .22 caliber, 40 gr. little bullet at around 1150 fps at 500 yds. could be not only challenging, but a lot of fun if you do so as well!

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1634 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #43 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 11:31pm	Print Post
	If I could figure out an optic to put on my cpa I would give it a shot. I don't have anything modern glass that has that much adjustment on it or ranging reticle.


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BudHyett Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 281 Location: Pacific Northwest, WA State Joined: Jun 25^th, 2011	Re: "NEW" long range. 22 sport. Reply #44 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 12:57am	Print Post
	Conundrum: I've won a King Match with a BSA 12/15 (iron sights) and set a range record with a BSA MK I International (46X Weaver). With the .22 LR. I really do not care what the ultimate challenge is. I go to do better than the last time. I refuse to enter the equipment race feeling the money is better spent on good ammunition and practice. I've spent enough on equipment, now I need to learn the rifle in the wind. I also feel the new shooter showing up at his first match and being shown $4,000.00 or $5,000.00 worth of equipment is a poor way to gain a new shooter.

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