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Reply #15 - Dec 31st, 2021 at 11:02pm
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We had one where the MD had us shoot from under a barricade. No way to see through the scope without laying the rifle on it's side. Even with a HP rifle, it messes up your zeroes enough at 200 yds to make a hit near impossible without correcting in some way. Great fun.
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 1st, 2022 at 2:02pm
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I've shot a lot of .22 Shorts at 200, mostly CCI Standard Velocity, enough to think that the standard velocity kind are pretty much out of gas at that range.
In my best original Winder from the bench, using Shorts from an accurate lot but shot "out of the box", I produced several 20-shot and 30-shot groups with a 6 to 7 inch horizontal spread and about a 30-inch vertical spread.  I tried the Winder with iron sights and with my 12 X Unertl.  Results were close to the same.

Then I tried the most accurate lot I found, sorted by weight, and selected only the most common weight, 38.9 grains, from the bench at 200 yards.  This time, I used a nearly-NIB Stevens-Pope 44 1/2 and the same 12X Unertl.

The Stevens-Pope put the shots a column with a 5.36" horizontal spread and 21.12" vertical spread.
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 1st, 2022 at 2:08pm
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What is a FOG?   

So much I don't unnerstand.....  Embarrassed
  

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Reply #18 - Jan 1st, 2022 at 3:41pm
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westerner wrote on Jan 1st, 2022 at 2:08pm:
What is a FOG?  

So much I don't unnerstand.....  Embarrassed

  Well, a FOP is a fuggin' old person so I would guess a FOG to be a fuggin' old guy, although, that's just my SWAG.  Smiley
  

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Reply #19 - Jan 1st, 2022 at 6:06pm
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It would probably be a good game / program for the public to go out and to enjoy. 
But where would an extremely successful competitive shooter fit in other than just to provide some guidance?
  

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Reply #20 - Jan 1st, 2022 at 6:27pm
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Nrl22 i nothing but PRS with a 22lr. It is all about proficiency of shooting from positions. You may be competiting aganist some of the best PRS shooters using their trainning gun.

This is a highly competitive sport that requires specific scopes and chassis systems.

  
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Reply #21 - Jan 1st, 2022 at 6:55pm
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Forgive me if I was wrong as I had thought it was just a fun and open to public fun shoot. For the none competitive and experienced shooting group. And if it were such a match it would be one I would not shoot at but would be more than willing to help out at. And to even provide a rifle and the ammunition for someone without to also be able to use. 
This is something that I always did for multiple years that was also open to the public. At our once yearly Turkey Shoots that I also ran for four years. I also got my ass chewed more than once because everyone I helped took a Turkey and three Chicken's home and the max one could win at the 200 yard bench event. The club was actually loosing money by all of those who were being successful with my help and shooting my breech seating 32-40 rifle. The target was a 1 inch lifesaver hanging on monofilament fishing line on a target frame and without any backer. 
Chicken's were three shots for a Dollar and Turkey's were three shots for five. Everyone who shot my rifle would easily go home with all four and most with only having to buy but one ticket. Several would ask will you be here next year and would come back to shoot my rifle. The intent was in trying to get these folks interested in joining our Schuetzen group and not a one of them actually did. They would be trying to win using their hunting or varmint rifles and really did not have a chance of winning but by luck. The offhand target was a 6 inch ceramic tile and forming hung to form a diamond. Several of the same folks would also win the four while also shooting my breech seating rifle and really had a good time.
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Reply #22 - Jan 1st, 2022 at 9:16pm
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The guys at our gun club often shoot long range .22 RF matches. It's as challenging to shoot small targets at 300-500 yds. with a .22LR as it is to shoot a large bore at 800-1000 yds. and maybe more challenging. The small projectiles are far more affected by cross winds, so it can be very challengng.
But it's also a lot of fun, and shooting actually can be both, or at least most of us think it should be both fun and challenging.
  

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Reply #23 - Jan 1st, 2022 at 9:33pm
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Probably not as challenging as to put 10 shots into an 11/2 25 ring at 200 yards or a 3/4 ring of an inch at 100 yards. But that is just me and being able to hit a steel dinger all though it is probably fun it was also not what Pope and others made these barrels and rifles to actually do.
  

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Reply #24 - Jan 1st, 2022 at 11:08pm
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Gonna ignore that, since I wont get into it.
  

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Reply #25 - Jan 2nd, 2022 at 12:51am
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JLouis wrote on Jan 1st, 2022 at 9:33pm:
Probably not as challenging as to put 10 shots into an 11/2 25 ring at 200 yards or a 3/4 ring of an inch at 100 yards. But that is just me and being able to hit a steel dinger all though it is probably fun it was also not what Pope and others made these barrels and rifles to actually do. 


I would suggest that “Pope and others” did not make their barrels and rifles to be shot as bench rest rifles either.
  
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Reply #26 - Jan 2nd, 2022 at 1:02am
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They did. Pope and others shot there rifles in BR matches and made rifles for BR shooting for others. Sad but true.   Cry
  

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Reply #27 - Jan 2nd, 2022 at 5:12am
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westerner wrote on Jan 2nd, 2022 at 1:02am:
They did. Pope and others shot there rifles in BR matches and made rifles for BR shooting for others. Sad but true.   Cry


My argument would be percentages, and what seems to be the  assertion that I was responding to. That the purest or most popular form of shooting at a Schuetzen park or match was benchrest in the day.

There was a fair amount of money to be made for the the top shooters of the day. What was the percentage of prize money offered at the average Schuetzenfest, for the top BR score?

No doubt that there was competition shooting from the bench with highly specialized equipment. This was likely started as a way to remove shooter error and promote the barrel maker or gunsmith. Pope’s accuracy promises were based on shooting from a machine rest for a reason.

I think this quote sums up this argument perfectly. If true, this type of shooting has nothing to do with shooting skills, and everything to do with equipment. Multiple people being able to hit a lifesaver at 200 yards on the first trigger pull with a 32-40, multiple years in a row, is an unbelievably accurate setup.

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his is something that I always did for multiple years that was also open to the public. At our once yearly Turkey Shoots that I also ran for four years. I also got my ass chewed more than once because everyone I helped took a Turkey and three Chicken's home and the max one could win at the 200 yard bench event. The club was actually loosing money by all of those who were being successful with my help and shooting my breech seating 32-40 rifle. The target was a 1 inch lifesaver hanging on monofilament fishing line on a target frame and without any backer. 


Compare that with the type of shooting skills required in the 22 shoots described in this thread. Multiple targets at random distances, from multiple positions, scored as hit or miss, do or don’t in the allotted time.

Personally I think the testing of shooting skills vs best equipment, when compared the the accounts of the typical Schuetzenfest I have read, shooting from the bench is arguably less traditional.


  
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Reply #28 - Jan 2nd, 2022 at 11:03am
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Shooting at a bench, from a solid rest, with wind flags to help the shooter judge the wind at various points between the bench and the 200 yd. target is hardly the same as shooting offhand at the same distance. And these shooters who are using their .22 rimfire rifles to shoot out to 500 yds. to hit targets that are no more than 1 moa size, without flags, and without a solid,  highly adjustable rest and not knowing what the winds are doing well above the line of sight as their bullets travels to the target with an arc like a mortar; are very good shots.
Being able to do this, and do adjustments as the shooter moves further out is a challenge that can't be compared to most other shooting sports. And doing so with a scoped rifle is extremely hard, but some do so with iron sights, making the same sight adjustments, and doing it extremely well.
All shooting has it's challenges, but to put one type of shooting down simply because it's not what you like to do seems like a bad idea, and just pushes us all further apart, or makes those who do so look like elitists who feel their shooting sport is somehow better than other's.
  

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Reply #29 - Jan 2nd, 2022 at 11:14am
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Agree Marlinguy. These guys doing this long range 22 precision stuff is definitely a challenge.The point of my post was they think are the only people that have shot 22 is at long range. And I think they just underestimate the accuracy of our single shots. It's all new to these guys and they're having a bunch of fun.
Every shooting discipline has its own set of challenges. I hope it didn't seem like I was putting it down.
  
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