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Cutting extractor groove
Aug 31st, 2021 at 10:03am
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So I made a replacement extractor for a Stevens mod. 101 chambered for .44 shot.  I think this caliber is the predecessor of the .410.
Now I need cut the case head rim groove.  My thought was to deprime a .410 hull and attach a suitable shank to chuck it in my hand held drill.  Then I thought I might try to attach a cutter to the .410 rim.   

Assuming my idea is sound, what would you use for a cutter and how would you attach it to the brass rim?  Or am I completely off on the wrong track?
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 10:27am
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My first guess is to buy a rimmed reamer.
Second would be to put it in the lathe and use a boring bar.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 10:34am
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I assume you don't have a Lathe.   Can you get a Drill bit the same Diameter as the Rim?  If so then you could grind a Pilot the same dia.  as the Chamber making sure it has no sharp edges.  Grind your cutting lips to 90° and go slow as your doing a interrupted cut and it will want to catch as it hits the extractor.  Your going back in time, how it was done with the tools on hand, and few of them to boot.  Good luck,  David
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 10:47am
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a chamber casting is needed to confirm dimensions, but with the right oversize pilot, a .44-40 reamer should be correct for the job
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 11:27am
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With the extractor being proud and the breech block out. Take and file off one side of a case to where it will now go past the extractor. Blacken the face with a Marker, install the extractor using just the screw. Now slide the case up to the face of the extractor and scribe a line around the rim. That will give you the outside rim diameter cut on the face of the extractor to be removed. Trying to do it and the rim recess cut with a hand drill would be extremely challenging to say the least. But an end mill of the proper diameter would be a better choice to use as it will not drift if you can some how keep it very well centered. Maybe someone on here who is close to you has the proper equipment to do it for you as it really needs to be a very ridgid setup. Or possibly the right piloted chambering reamer you can borrow and then you can just turn the reamer by hand. The depth of the rim recess also establishes your headspace. The more I think about it I am not so sure that it could actually be successfully done by using your approach there is just not any room for the slightest amount of error. That is if my understanding of what you are needing to do is correct.
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Reply #5 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 4:17pm
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Thank you guys for all the good advice.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 4:55pm
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If your Stevens model 101 .44 shot has been rechambered to a .410 shot shell, with safety in mind I wouldn’t fire it. In fact I would be nervous firing a .44 shot shell loaded with black powder in one. The barrel wall thickness in the chamber area is awful thin, and the barrel is a slip fit held in place by one take down screw.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 5:10pm
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I think he is talking about cutting the rim recess in the extractor, not in the barrel..... In this case, it is certainly possible just to file it to shape.  Doesn't really need to have a curve in it to match the rim, and the curve to match that of the chamber body should be easy to duplicate with a file. Cut-and-try.
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Reply #8 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 6:04pm
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I might have miss-understood it and if so a Dremel tool can also be used.
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 31st, 2021 at 7:45pm
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rgchristensen is correct.  Sorry I wasn't more clear in what I wanted to do.  The thought had occurred to me to use a dremel, but I just don't have the steady hands of youth anymore.  But I do think I may just try the dremel idea since it's just so much more simple than what I was considering.
  
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Re: Cutting extractor groove
Reply #10 - Sep 2nd, 2021 at 8:50pm
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rgchristensen wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 5:10pm:
GUYS:
I think he is talking about cutting the rim recess in the extractor, not in the barrel..... In this case, it is certainly possible just to file it to shape.  Doesn't really need to have a curve in it to match the rim, and the curve to match that of the chamber body should be easy to duplicate with a file. Cut-and-try.
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I've simply filed the rim cutaway in any number of extractors for Model 44s and Favorites.  I used to do them with a mill, but the setups were too much trouble.
  

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Reply #11 - Sep 3rd, 2021 at 9:21am
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When using the mill I just put the extractor in the mill vice and file off any sharp edges that were protruding into the chamber itself. I then line up the scribed line as was accomplished in the earlier post by using the same size pin gauge as the rim itself. I then use the chambering reamer by slowly lowering it until the rim cutter touches off on the extractor face. I then cut it to its proper depth by simply raising the table to that specified depth. Now both the radiuses are correct and it ends being a perfect fit with no harm being done to the reamer itself. 
I hope that all makes since and it only takes a few minutes to set it up and to actually cut it.
  

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Reply #12 - Sep 5th, 2021 at 9:53am
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Powderhead what process did you end up using and how did it turn out.
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 6th, 2021 at 5:48pm
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I used a dremel - very carefully.  It's okay, but it would have been nice to have done it with a properly sized end mill.  But being a pretty narrow piece, no one will ever know.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 6th, 2021 at 8:25pm
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Bottom line is not how it might look but that it actually serves its own purpose!
  

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