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OldMaineWoodsman Newbie Offline Posts: 6 Joined: Dec 11^th, 2020	.45-70 load for Black Bear Jun 12^th, 2021 at 8:34am	Print Post
	Good morning: I would like to use my .45-70 Browning 78 this fall on a Black Bear hunt. It will be over bait and fairly close range. I know that most commercially available factory loads would be fine, just curious as to a preference for the 300 or traditional 405 grain projectile? I don't reload, and would like to hear some experience. Thanks in advance for any input.


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Bulseyetom Oldtimer Offline Posts: 941 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #1 - Jun 12^th, 2021 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	I go by the theory of bigger is better. A 405 gr bullet at a velocity LOW enough to be comfortable to shoot would be my vote. The last factory load I shot in a 45-70 was about 1973 or so in my grandpa's 1886 and killed a blacktail buck at 125 yards. As I remember the velocity was around 1400 fps. I loaded up some 405 jacketed bullets to 1800 fps and with that crescent buttplate hurt so bad I developed a flinch and couldn't have hit an elephant! Tom


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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 533 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #2 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 4:59pm	Print Post
	Why not a 535 gr postal?


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Bulseyetom Oldtimer Offline Posts: 941 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #3 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 5:11pm	Print Post
	Irish, the poster says he does not reload so that pretty much rules out the Postel unless maybe BACO sells loaded Postel bullets. Tom


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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 533 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #4 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 6:00pm	Print Post
	Time to learn


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Zack T Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 354 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2010	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #5 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 11:34pm	Print Post
	I like the postel on targets but not as much on animals. Im old fashioned and think the 457193 is the perfect cast bullet for something the size of a average blackbear and the 457125 great for bigger stuff. This is assuming reloading with black powder. If buying factory I would lean towards the 405gr loads but the wincehster or remington 300gr jhp loads would work fine on bear. Id stay away from the “cowboy loads” or anyones lead bullet reloads.


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BlackPowderLove Junior Member Offline Posts: 62 Location: Western Uplands of Wisconsin Joined: Jul 12^th, 2020	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #6 - Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:30am	Print Post
	Not 45-70 but very similar is my 11.15x60. I use a 400 grain lead pill and took 3 deer and a bear with it last year. It did a number on the bear.

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85lc Junior Member Offline Posts: 50 Location: Georgia Joined: Jun 28^th, 2018	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #7 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 8:20pm	Print Post
	BlackPowderLove wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:30am: Not 45-70 but very similar is my 11.15x60. I use a 400 grain lead pill and took 3 deer and a bear with it last year. It did a number on the bear. What was your load? I have a double rifle in 11.15x60 and am interested in different loads. Have used 77 gr 2F black powder and 32 gr 4198 pushing a 350 gr pp swaged bullet.

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BlackPowderLove Junior Member Offline Posts: 62 Location: Western Uplands of Wisconsin Joined: Jul 12^th, 2020	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #8 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 8:57am	Print Post
	I am usually running 75gr. of 1.5F Olde Eynsford. On top of that I put a small .45 card wad and then a 400 grain lead pill thrown for a custom mold from Accurate. I will post an image of the mold specs below. Unlike most of what I have read on loading for these 1871 Mausers, mine likes a bigger bullet at .450.

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OldMaineWoodsman Newbie Offline Posts: 6 Joined: Dec 11^th, 2020	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #9 - Jun 19^th, 2021 at 8:27am	Print Post
	Thanks for all of the input. Yes, the cowboy loads are fun to practice with, especially the light recoil. I would never use them for hunting. I'm going to try the Buffalo Bore load with the 405gr JFN load. I also like the Remington 405gr Core-Lokt. I'll see which one shoots the best in my rifle and go with it.


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 3955 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #10 - Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 10:55am	Print Post
	Glad you chose the 405 grain bullet which has better Knock Down power. Using that bullet you have a Taylor Knock Down Power of 30 shooting it at 1,165 fps and can go up to a Knock Down Power of 47 shooting at 1,800 fps. For comparison a 173 grain .303 has a Knock Down Power of 18 and a 180 grain .30-06 has a Knock Down Power of 21.8 even though they are shooting at faster velocities. More than adequate for black bears - I have shot many of them with a 150 grain .30-30.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11326 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #11 - Jun 24^th, 2021 at 11:56am	Print Post
	Be careful!

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CW Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 492 Joined: Feb 20^th, 2018	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #12 - Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:17pm	Print Post
	OldMaineWoodsman wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 8:34am: Good morning: I would like to use my .45-70 Browning 78 this fall on a Black Bear hunt. It will be over bait and fairly close range. I know that most commercially available factory loads would be fine, just curious as to a preference for the 300 or traditional 405 grain projectile? I don't reload, and would like to hear some experience. Thanks in advance for any input. If you don't hand load ammo, are you just wondering? ...And going to shoot factory ammo I assume. I guess I don't really know what you are trying to learn. It does no good to offer bullet and powder and velocity level advice if you are shooting store ammo. Not trying to be a jerk, just wondering what you are really trying to ask?


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3750 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #13 - Jun 24^th, 2021 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	I think he was asking whether to use factory 300s or factory 405s.


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CW Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 492 Joined: Feb 20^th, 2018	Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear Reply #14 - Jun 24^th, 2021 at 4:58pm	Print Post
	Okay. I reread it with your reply in mind and I agree.


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