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mike in Va.
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stuck safety on Borchardt
Apr 5th, 2021 at 9:08pm
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I've use this military 45/70 Borchardt for decades with nothing but great accuracy and flawless service.  Oops, first critter that showed up today while riding around the farm and the rifle turned into a club.
I pulled the butt-stock off and one of the side screws--looks like the "black hole of Calcutta" in there!
Any thoughts whats going on?  Or a gunsmith familiar with this action?  I'm half way between Fredericksburg and Richmond, Virginia.
  
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Re: stuck safety on Borchardt
Reply #1 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 10:11pm
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There is a spring and plunger that holds the safety in forward position or safe position after the breechblock is closed,  Clean the crud off around the trigger and safety leave the action standing upside down dribble some Kroil or PB blaster in the space between the safety and action both sides,  Let it sit for a couple of hours add more penetrating oil next morning try moving the safety, breechblock has to be closed for the safety to move back!!
The spring and plunger are in a blind hole this is the only way to lube it without taking the action apart.
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Re: stuck safety on Borchardt
Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 11:05am
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Thanks, I'll try it.   
Report back.   
The gun is actually in great shape, most of the crud was PB Blaster trying to loosen things up.  But I have to get the stuck screw off one side to better clean and lub the area.
  
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Re: stuck safety on Borchardt
Reply #3 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 1:41pm
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If you need new plug  srews I have new ones no hand Ken
  
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Re: stuck safety on Borchardt
Reply #4 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 2:36pm
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There isn't any need to remove the plug screws!! Wont do any good they are only there to cover a machining or chip relief hole in the action. To clean the action the breechblock needs to be removed most everything is accessible after it is out except the safety.
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Re: stuck safety on Borchardt
Reply #5 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 2:51pm
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If you happen to remove the breech block I would first take the firing pin out. Its a real bitch to re-set it and the block won't open should it accidentally release with the block being closed. If you still try to open it, it might break off the end of the firing pin tip. At that point you might now possibly have to fix the firing pin and it would have to be taken out anyway.
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Re: stuck safety on Borchardt
Reply #6 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 7:17pm
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Thanks for all the support.   
Carburetor cleaner and fresh PB Blaster did the trick--thanks for the suggestion.
I needed to get the screws out to flush out the  the area around the trigger and safety.
Years ago I did take the block out of a Borchardt and some how managed to get it back together properly--but I learned from that to find a professional if it has to be done again.
  
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Re: stuck safety on Borchardt
Reply #7 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 10:16am
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I have two Borchardts, a varmint rifle with a hard trigger pull and a military rifle with a surprisingly good trigger pull.

The latter one is prone to slipping off when the breechblock is being pushed out the top, although it does not jar off in use.

What I did was turn a .45 caliber brass piece, with the 10-32 or whatever screw shank threaded in so it would go on the end of my cleaning rod, and push it down the barrel against the protruding firing pin.

Holding this pressure, I could either push the block back down against the cocking cams so it would catch for another try, or continue pushing the block up and out.  The top of the barrel kept the firing pin back until the block came out.  It didn’t snag or make a line on top of the breech.

The varmint rifle has a gunsmith-made plug atop the rear of the block.  This can be removed and a screwdriver inserted to lever the firing pin back if it slipped forward.  This was, apparently, a not-uncommon modification for 78 models modernized for small caliber smokeless cartridges.  The big end on the cleaning rod would not work in these calibers.

Then, as now, disassembling and reassembling Borchardts was not for the faint of heart.  One can sympathize with that letter from John Lower (IIRC) to the Sharps factory asking them to take their New Models back in exchange for the 74 version.

It wasn’t because his unsophisticated customers wanted that big outside hammer for looks, it was because it was easy to take the 74 model apart for cleaning and maintenance out at the hunting camp.  If you contemplate taking the 78 apart, you might well need a machine shop to do so.
  
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Re: stuck safety on Borchardt
Reply #8 - Apr 9th, 2021 at 12:43am
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Mike,  as long as you are trying to get the crud out of the action, you should take the safety out and clean the plunger hole there is no way to get it cleaned up with it in place. You will need a pin punch a little smaller than .100 that is the size of all the pins in a Borchardt action except the cocking pin. You could use a finish nail punch to start the pin out, drive the trigger pin a little over 1/2 way out lift the trigger out, close the breechblock about 1/3 of the way slide the safety forward keep a thumb on the action right behind the safety to contain the spring and plunger or you will be hunting for it.  This is with the action upside down put it in a vise so that you have both hands to work with!!!   
Next after you replace safety and trigger,  Remove the striker cap pin and cap, all the crud from the last 100 years collects here makes it hard to cock and slows down the striker.  Start action right side up position so you can work the lever,  Start with the action fired, less spring tension, drive out the pin keep a thumb behind the cap so you don't have to hunt for it if it flies out when you pull out the punch, if the cap don't move cock the action keep your thumb in place.  If it only comes out a little grab it with pliers rotate it a little bit back and forth,  it can only move a little because of the sear. Clean and lube the inside of cap reassemble.
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