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Hunting with a set trigger
Aug 3rd, 2020 at 5:22pm
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Curious what weight people have their set triggers adjusted to when hunting. Do you use the same weight at the bench and in the field? What about in cold weather?

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Reply #1 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 5:54pm
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I have a number of rifles with set triggers, only 2 that I have hunted with. A bolt action and a muzzle loader. Since those are both used in cold weather conditions I have them set as  or about as heavy as they can be. And to be truthful, that isn't really all that heavy. FWIW my target rifles are set on the heavy side as well but thats just me, I kind of like to feel when the finger touches the trigger. I am sure others will have much different opinions. For the most part I think its an individual thing, go with what your comfortable with.
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Reply #2 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 5:59pm
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I've hunted with several Ballard rifles with double set triggers. I prefer light triggers, and don't shoot with gloves on, so I leave mine set light. Never had any issues with light triggers and hunting, or issues with cold vs. hot weather on my gun's triggers.
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 6:03pm
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I personally would not even attempt to use my set trigger for hunting purposes. It is down to a few ounces and it is just not safe for myself to use in a hunting environment. It is soley meant to be used for benchrest competitive matches and nothing else. For my hunting rifles it would be a couple of pounds with no over travel and a very crisp let off and how I do my own. I also don't care for a two stage trigger or any prior free movement to the trigger when I am starting to squeeze it off.
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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 9:03pm
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I have several German Schuetzen rifles with DST set very light, obviously I don’t hunt with them. I have  a couple of hundred plus year old Mauser sporters with DST that I hunt with. The triggers are set light. I hunt from hides so there is generally time to remove my glove. 
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Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 11:14pm
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What is the old saying about opinions?
Hunted for years with set triggers. Would not be without them, but only the two lever type.
Quick shots in the timber, not set, three or four pound pull.
Longer shots, usually prone, kneeling or on a rest, set the triggers.
For a hunting rifle, pay as much attention to unset pull as the set pull.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 11:17pm
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Since the flintlock came into use for hunting, double set triggers have been used. Same with percussion hunting rifles. The Sharps buffalo rifles had double set triggers, German hunting rifles have double set triggers. Ballard hunting rifles like the Pacific have double set triggers. Most hunting rifles have DST. Jeager rifles had DST. 

For hunting I would use double set triggers. Set light, same as when target shooting because that's what I'm used too. 

You cock the hammer and set the trigger just before firing at game, not when you're busting thru brush.
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 4th, 2020 at 12:35am
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I go along with Westerner........I'v been a Outfitter for a very long time and if I found a client running around in the brush with a hammer back his hunt would be over............had a USFW agent in my rig with a round in the chamber and the muzzle banging me in the right side of my chest with muzzle up and his undercover hunt was over at that point.............
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 4th, 2020 at 3:17am
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Yes, it's nice to have double sets on a hunting rifle; but whether I set them depends on the circumstances.  And I'd bet it was the same 'way back when Westerner was a boy as well.

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I had a German percussion hunting rifle when I was little. Dad let me use it anyway.  Beautifully engraved. Inlaid in gold on the top flat was Kormann. Shot a lot of Injuns on the Zenith back then.  It had double sets. 

My bolt guns all have single stage triggers set very light.
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 4th, 2020 at 6:12pm
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Set triggers aren't unsafe for hunting. You don't walk around with the triggers set, or hammer cocked, so no difference between set triggers and a single non set trigger until you get ready to fire.
I have to cock the hammer before each shot anyway, so once I cock the hammer, I set the trigger. Then I'm ready to zero in on game, and touch it off. Can't see where the unsafe part of this is?
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 5th, 2020 at 10:51pm
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I hunt with set triggers. Same a target shooting.
  

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Reply #12 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 9:30am
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I like set triggers.  I have never seen an issue with them hunting.  I can see that a VERY light trigger like on my old German Schuetzen may be a bit light but I would rather that than an overly hard pull.
  

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Re: Hunting with a set trigger
Reply #13 - Aug 8th, 2020 at 2:15pm
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westerner wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 11:17pm:
Since the flintlock came into use for hunting, double set triggers have been used. Same with percussion hunting rifles. The Sharps buffalo rifles had double set triggers, German hunting rifles have double set triggers. Ballard hunting rifles like the Pacific have double set triggers. Most hunting rifles have DST. Jeager rifles had DST. 

For hunting I would use double set triggers. Set light, same as when target shooting because that's what I'm used too. 

You cock the hammer and set the trigger just before firing at game, not when you're busting thru brush. 


Huh, never really thought about it, must have been obvious and always taken it for granted, but you have a very, very good point. 
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"Huh, never really thought about it, must have been obvious and always taken it for granted, but you have a very, very good point. Cheesy"

Well, it just stands to reason......

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Reply #15 - Aug 14th, 2020 at 10:09am
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I had a problem using Canjar set trigger on a No. 1. There was no problem with the trigger function and I enjoyed the 'set' option. The problem was with the slow lock time of the Ruger. Between the time that the set trigger clicked and the rifle actually fired, my whole life could pass before my eyes;  I knew I was about to get belted! .375 Mashburn! Flinch inducing!
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 14th, 2020 at 11:54am
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gwahir wrote on Aug 14th, 2020 at 10:09am:
I had a problem using Canjar set trigger on a No. 1. There was no problem with the trigger function and I enjoyed the 'set' option. The problem was with the slow lock time of the Ruger. Between the time that the set trigger clicked and the rifle actually fired, my whole life could pass before my eyes;  I knew I was about to get belted! .375 Mashburn! Flinch inducing!


Only thing slower would be a Snider.

My #4 Ruger has a Kepplinger trigger and the sear is moved back .300 and has a stronger spring.  Very fast now with super light trigger.
  

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Reply #17 - Aug 20th, 2020 at 2:07pm
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A set trigger increases lock time, only make matters worse for a rifle with slow lock time to begin with. You should be able to get the Canjar down to a very light pull without the set feature. Mostly depends on end use.
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 2:04pm
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End use! Yes. I used a single set on a highwall for years. The set was only used if required for the shot ; perhaps 10% of the time. But if the rest was good and the target small, It was so nice to be able to push the trigger ahead, setting it, and then fire with absolute precision.
  
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westerner wrote on Aug 14th, 2020 at 11:54am:
gwahir wrote on Aug 14th, 2020 at 10:09am:
I had a problem using Canjar set trigger on a No. 1. There was no problem with the trigger function and I enjoyed the 'set' option. The problem was with the slow lock time of the Ruger. Between the time that the set trigger clicked and the rifle actually fired, my whole life could pass before my eyes;  I knew I was about to get belted! .375 Mashburn! Flinch inducing!


Only thing slower would be a Snider.

My #4 Ruger has a Kepplinger trigger and the sear is moved back .300 and has a stronger spring.  Very fast now with super light trigger.


I put a Kepplinger on my #3 Ruger and it speeded things up quite a bit. It's been a long time but I remember removing some of the linkage in the factory trigger to install the Kepplinger. Lots of overtravel when it kicks off but it's still light and fast. What's a #4 Ruger? Pictures??
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Reply #20 - Aug 24th, 2020 at 10:01pm
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A # 3 action with #1 Wood installed. 1 and 3 is 4.
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 24th, 2020 at 10:07pm
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Duh! I shoulda figgered it out my self! Never was good at math.

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Reply #22 - Aug 26th, 2020 at 7:32pm
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Grin. I do it all the time.
  

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If I remove the wood from a #3 does that make it a #2?
  

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That only applies to Ballards.
  

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Reply #25 - Aug 27th, 2020 at 3:39pm
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marlinguy wrote on Aug 27th, 2020 at 12:16pm:
If I remove the wood from a #3 does that make it a #2?


That would be a Ballard #3 with parts missing. Or a #3 Ballard barreled action.

Some might call my rifle a 3 1/2. I prefer to work with whole numbers as I never learned fractions but I know how to add a few numbers under ten. 

Far as I know it only works on Rugers.  Undecided
  

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Reply #26 - Aug 27th, 2020 at 11:41pm
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No one has asked about that rear sight so I guess I'll have to. What in the world is it? It looks like it's set up have a peep at the guy on the next bench over.

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Reply #27 - Aug 28th, 2020 at 12:35am
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Central sight. Long range Canadian made Central sight. 

Canadians don't care what stuff looks like.  Grin
  

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Reply #28 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:30pm
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I never mess with mine once I have the triggers set.  Yeah, they're about 4 ounces, but I hunt alone in this country.  Africa, I take the front once game is sighted.

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Reply #29 - Jul 9th, 2021 at 6:30pm
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Not taking a stand on this at all but my deceased brother guided in Wyoming and Idaho for some big time outfitters for 25 years and as I recall neither he or most of the guides he knew were in favor of DST’s.  Their experiences and reasoning went something like this. (1) most hunters don’t shoot in the field after larger game on a regular basis so instinct and split second reflex aren’t there, (2) those who use DST’s are most often target shooters used to breaking a shot at the perfect time and paper targets don’t move nor do they cost as much as a high priced Elk hunt, (3) seeing big game and knowing you may only get one shot and the clock is ticking tend to get a  hunter’s heart and adrenalin pumping enough that many hunters don’t even feel recoil or hear the muzzle blast, (4) in this condition an 8 pound trigger can break like a 4 pound trigger and DST’s are often unfelt at all, (5) the weather and conditions vary extremely in some hunt seasons so out of state clients not used to real cold, high altitude or horseback have plenty of obstacles to negotiate already and a sensitive setting trigger with numbing fingers ain’t a good idea. Of course every guide has the opportunity to work with the exceptional hunter/marksmen but listening to my Brother those guys a real rare. Anyway I really don’t have an opinion though most makes sense cause actually I hunt with my Shiloh and it has two pedals. When it’s real cold or a quick or stalking shot is in order I stay off the back trigger anyway.
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Reply #30 - Jul 9th, 2021 at 7:46pm
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Interesting in how things change and back the day all if not most flintlocks to be able put food on the table or for sale had set triggers. Kind of reminds of Truck Drivers now days and only about 1 in 10 can actually manually shift transmission through the gears and rest now use automatic transmissions. When I first started out I had two sticks one for the main and the other one for the axillary. I can still use both set triggers for hunting and two sticks in a truck.
  

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Reply #31 - Jul 2nd, 2022 at 12:56pm
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I hunt with my Shiloh Sharps 45-70 using set triggers. However, my front trigger will fire the rifle without being set by the rear trigger. Without being set the front trigger is very similar in weight to my other hunting rifles. So my answer is "yes I use set triggers, but i don't usually set them".
  
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Reply #32 - Aug 23rd, 2022 at 4:53pm
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I too hunt with set triggers.  I have encountered no issues with using them.  Just takes a different mindset and approach.  I guess I prefer single set for hunting, just  one less to manipulate.
  
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Reply #33 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 11:43am
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I too use several rifles with set triggers, mostly Ruger #1s with both Canjar and Kepplinger triggers.  I do not use gloves when shooting so no issues.  As noted in a previous post it just takes a different mindset.  The Canjar is also excellent not set if needed.
  
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Reply #34 - Nov 9th, 2022 at 11:36am
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I have been hunting here in Germany for more than 35 years now. While it is true that many old German rifles are equipped with set-triggers that is not the case today. In fact most of the new rifles I have seen over those 35+ years have had single triggers. Many Mauser type rifles (98 mil actions) rebuilt since WWII have been fitted with double set triggers but often the gunsmith did not open up the trigger guard to make room for a gloved finger, in fact in many cases there is hardly room for the trigger finger. I once owned a Mauser 66 Stutzen in 6.5X57 that oddly (for it's vintage) had a single trigger. That rifle leads me to believe the shift to single triggers on German hunting rifles was happening in the 1970's/1980's.

That said, on my original Mauser sporting rifles (not converted military guns) with double-set trigger I like them to be at about 2lbs. The single shots I hunt with all have single triggers and I like those at about 4lbs.
  

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