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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1756 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	High Wall Apr 3^rd, 2018 at 9:42am	Print Post
	Just got a good deal on a high wall and now need to figure out what I'm going to do with it. I have a 30" 32-40 blank on the way so that will most likely be the caliber. While the butt stock is very nice wood someone did a bad job of bending the lower tang to make a pistol grip. Forearm is of an old bench rest stile and cut for a bull barrel so it won't be usable. Has a close coupled set trigger that will need some work.

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Crown-C Oldtimer Offline Posts: 525 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: High Wall Reply #1 - Apr 3^rd, 2018 at 10:41am	Print Post
	John, Afraid I don’t have a great idea for you. I have the same problem, I have a high wall sitting on my workbench and a .22 lr barrel I bought from Curt Hardcastle a year ago and still trying to decide what I want to do about stocking it! I think I will go with a pistol grip, bench rest style and a traditional forearm. Beyond that, we’ll see. I do like nice wood so will have to see what’s around. I would imagine with your abilities you could pretty easily recurve the badly bent pg lower tang. One bad part on a refurbished rifle always bugs me. Good luck! Richard

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: High Wall Reply #2 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 9:37am	Print Post
	John I'd get a new correct lower tang from MVA. turn up that barrel for 32-40 and have a stock profiles for a special sporting rifle. 40 Rod


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16741 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: High Wall Reply #3 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 11:01am	Print Post
	If it was me I'd also get a new lower tang. But I don't have John's skill set, and I think John can easily get the tang bent properly. I'd think the .32-40 would be an excellent choice for the caliber, but what stock is probably your decision John. It could be a schuetzen, or a silhouette style stock, and either would be great with the CCST setup.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3680 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: High Wall Reply #4 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 11:49am	Print Post
	If I can stick my opinion in here, I'll say that the factory Special Sporting rifles are the best appearing model, custom or factory, that exists. Great looking design. Just my thoughts.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: High Wall Reply #5 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 11:54am	Print Post
	The Special Sporting makes for a real nice combination bench and offhand stock design John. The hook butt plate has plenty of room as well as fairly short prongs for shooting off the bench and yet long enough to serve their useful purpose for offhand. That is the stock design I used when I built my Model J FBW in 28-35SS and I have been extremely happy with it. It also adds that very pleasant traditional look if that might be what you are also after. I sent the blank to Gail at CPA and had her duplicate it from the pattern she had on hand for the Model J and I also had her duplicate the forearm with ebony tip from a Zischang pattern as it fit my needs. But the original Winchester pattern might be better suited for your needs so just ignore it as I only wanted to point out what pattern it is. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) JLouis

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16741 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: High Wall Reply #6 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 12:40pm	Print Post
	Another plus of the Special Sporting is they came with crescent or small Swiss buttplates that use the same mounting holes and shape. So if it was done that way the gun could be fitted with either, and easily changed depending on the look or type of shooting you want.

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Zack T Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 354 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2010	Re: High Wall Reply #7 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	I would do a special sporting pattern like others have suggested. What Cecil Freddi charges for a blank and CPA charges for the profiling there is no reason to saddle a piece of wood that isnt just right. CPA treats you right on wood too btw. My bias is that an offhand pattern shoots better off the bench than a bench pattern shoots offhand.


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Crown-C Oldtimer Offline Posts: 525 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: High Wall Reply #8 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	Thanks guys as you have also given me new food for thought and some great ideas I’d think for John Taylor. A very well done high wall sporting rifle is hard to beat. I really like the JLouis rifle. Richard

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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1756 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: High Wall Reply #9 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	The wood is nice looking but it needs to be whittled down a bunch

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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1756 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: High Wall Reply #10 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	someday I will learn how to resize a photo. Anybody need a bull barrel that is 20"long in 219 zipper.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16741 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: High Wall Reply #11 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 5:45pm	Print Post
	Actually looks like there's enough wood to work with once the lower tang is bent to a nicer profile. That's nice quality wood too, and should be much improved with a facelift.

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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1756 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: High Wall Reply #12 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 5:45pm: Actually looks like there's enough wood to work with once the lower tang is bent to a nicer profile. That's nice quality wood too, and should be much improved with a facelift. I had the same thoughts on the butt stock but the forearm channel is way bigger than I need. Thoughts of cutting 3/4" out of the middle and glueing the two pieces together, wonder how it would look.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16741 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: High Wall Reply #13 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 6:15pm	Print Post
	John Taylor wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 6:08pm: marlinguy wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 5:45pm: Actually looks like there's enough wood to work with once the lower tang is bent to a nicer profile. That's nice quality wood too, and should be much improved with a facelift. I had the same thoughts on the butt stock but the forearm channel is way bigger than I need. Thoughts of cutting 3/4" out of the middle and glueing the two pieces together, wonder how it would look. I'd probably cut some off each side and glue it into the barrel channel. Since it would be the same wood, and would be less visible as a filler alongside the barrel flats, it might work better. Looks like lot of excess width and depth, so maybe it would work well.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1730 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: High Wall Reply #14 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 7:06pm	Print Post
	I'd cut the forearm down the middle on a table saw and then mount the halves in your mill and take it down to the width that you need to close the barrel channel up. Acraglass the two pieces together and then re-inlet to your new barrel. If you use a Winchester checkering pattern on it, you'll hardly notice the dividing line. When you bend the tang back, you will start to decrease the thickness to the V line on the back of the pistol grip but it looks like there may be enough wood that you can make a new one. I had a HW that had a tang similar to that and I made a jig from hard maple to the shape I wanted and then lined it with some thin steel. I put the jig in a Palmgren vice and heated the tang red hot and then quickly put it in the jig and closed the vise squeezing the tang into shape. Do it outside as the wood caught on fire and smoked the place up. Worked great.
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