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Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:06am
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     Hi All:

     I have an 1885 HW that is in good shape and found the Unertl scope in my junk drawer.  Is there a way that I could mount the scope without drilling and tapping the rifle?

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Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:45am
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JB weld?  epoxy?  the blocks on the barrel.   I'd try it on a old barrel first.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 10:58am
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hose clamps?
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 11:47am
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JB weld?  epoxy?  the blocks on the barrel.   I'd try it on a old barrel first.


This will work, but the heavier the scope, the greater is the possibility that the epoxy might suddenly let go--which happened to me, and it was mighty distressing.  If the scope is only attached when shooting at a range, this danger is minimized.

But I had no trouble removing the epoxy residue without harming the blue by using heat & lacquer thinner.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 1:06pm
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AC Gould here had a process using Black Max on his originals that would not leave any known evidence of it's use on the barrel finish when removed so you might want to PM him to talk about in more depth with him.

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Reply #5 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:27pm
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Steve Earle makes a bar that is 8" or so long with holes for the bases drilled and tapped in the bar on a spacing of 7.2".  I got a few.  I just use Acraglas colored black to attach the bar to the barrel and away I go.  I've never had one let go.  But I never have my scope on the rifle until in is in the rest.

When and if you want the bar off, give it a whack with a mallet and it is off.  Removing any glass still stuck to the barrel is an easy process.  Can't make myself drill and tap an original barrel.
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Reply #6 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 3:31pm
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pmcfall wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Steve Earle makes a bar that is 8" or so long with holes for the bases drilled and tapped in the bar on a spacing of 7.2".


Much better idea than gluing blocks directly, as I did, because of the far greater surface area of the bar.

I once tried a similar improvisation, using no epoxy, but a bar having a dovetail on the underside to drive into the rear sight slot.  Seemed to work OK for the little shooting I did with it, but the bar was not held as rigidly against the brl. as it would be if glued.


  
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Reply #7 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:54am
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If I was mounting a Unertl with a glued on bar would add a couple of zip ties as insurance. Fly off and break cost big bucks.

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Reply #8 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 12:17pm
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Sounds limethis might be a good place to try rare earth magnets.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 1:13pm
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Rare earth magnets are fine by me, but I can see some discussion forming about the molecular structure of the barrel's frisben surfaces contaminating the fluid dispersal of the sludge orbits in the powder residue off to the side, where it'll do the most harm. This, of course, is not much trouble to the offhand shooter in a wind storm on a sub-freezing morning, but can disperse the anti- coagulants on the lower barrel lands while shooting off the bench. Makes the bullet fly different if the lube contains iron shavings or Hershey's milk chocolate. Of, course, there could be some more serious reasons to avoid magnets, but I haven't explored all the facets of this.  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 1:21pm
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Don't mess with the Earth's magnetic field.
If the rifle is shot north to south, (magnetic, not true) the field may collapse.
This has happened before in Earth's history.(Where do you think democrats come from.)
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Reply #11 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 2:22pm
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If the targets are at magnetic north shooting lead bullets,  none of that will matter.  Of course shooting copper jacketed  bullets through a magnetic field will certainly disqualify the shooter since the resulting high voltage bullet would be an electrical device and they are barred for use in the rules.  Should be ok for electrocuting varmints, deer and other game animals.  Should be a great advantage in winter to have a hot meal precooked when the skinning is completed.
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 2:47pm
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Another problem would be getting your breech seater unstuck from the rifle.  Wink
  
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Mine is  nonferrous  Grin
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:16pm
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Zeke,  Please think twice before you ask another interesting question--you see what it can lead to.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:37pm
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Yeah, It can.  I still think a rare earth magnet has a lot of potential.  They can be had in  very powerful compact sizes.
  

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Reply #16 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:19pm
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How much recoil are we dealing with?
22 LR or 50-110 or something in between?
Mags could work, what happens when the rifle is in it's case transported in your truck?
Bad idea, worthy of levity, Red.
At least glue will hold or break, not potentially move just a bit and ruin your alignment.
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Reply #17 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 3:54am
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Some of those little rare earth  magnets will take 50# of force to break them free.  They could be used in conjunction with Accuraglass or JB Weld to give the glue supplemental support.
  

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Reply #18 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 7:21am
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For a temporary mount for testing, I milled a one piece aluminum base for a Unertl scope. I used double sided carpenter's tape between the barrel & base. As a security feature I used a reversed vinyl tape wrap around barrel & base. I managed to shoot many shots this way.
  

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Sorry we got in the way of your perpetual grouchiness, Red.
  
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Reply #20 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 3:08pm
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Don't know if Black Max is the same as Black RTV but I would think about it.  M.L. McPherson mentioned it in his book.  Me personally, I would prefer some Flex in the Joint rather than a ridged one.  So a Aluminum Base with RTV has my vote.  Good luck!
  
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calledflyer wrote on Feb 21st, 2018 at 11:35am:
Sorry we got in the way of your perpetual grouchiness, Red.


Rein in the puerile chatter, and you won't have to suffer it.
  
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Some of us, not in perpetual grouchiness, like to have some fun.
Don't like it, don't read it.
You don't control it. What a poop!
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Actually, I own a pair of magnets that are about an inch square and are powerful enough that several people have given themselves blood blisters while trying to separate them. They were used as activators for a safety circuit to shut off a ski lift in the event of a derailed cable. Mighty powerful, to withstand the rigors of lousy weather, motion and idiot maintenance. 
I still don't think that they are a good solution to a scope mounting problem. I think I prefer the adhesive if I didn't want to drill for some reason.
And, I like to have fun with my friends, so kidding is liable to return from moment to moment. Carry on.
  
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Rebel wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 4:51pm:


Don't like it, don't read it.


When it's inserted, pointlessly, into an otherwise interesting & useful discussion, especially one in which I have a personal interest, you give me no choice.

When your comic genius just can't be suppressed, why not confine it to the forum topic set aside for that specific purpose: "Off Topic Chatter."  That one I decided some months ago to shun entirely, expressly to avoid your unrelenting drivel, which monopolizes its content.

Call me a poop if you wish (though I haven't resorted to name-calling)--just don't call me an air-head.
  
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Call me a poop if you wish
Thank you...poop. Grin
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You don't control it. Don't read it.
air-headed grouchy, sycophant, poop! 
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But I do know the meaning of "sycophant."  Look it up before you expose your IQ again.

  
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I know what "puerile" means too.
It's really a shame you need to bother people for having a bit of fun.
you still don't control the forum, but you are getting very boring.
glad you have no problem with air-headed and grouchy, poop Grin
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Rebel wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 8:54pm:
I know what "puerile" means too.


Indeed, you should!
  
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Red, 
It's too bad your intense depression has caused you to make your recent series of snarky comments, especially unwarranted outside of off topic.
This is counter-productive and bad for the forum.
Someone has to be the bigger man here, as it's obviously not you, I'll do it. Take your last cheap shot, everyone knows a little poop like you can't resist.
out,
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Rebel wrote on Feb 22nd, 2018 at 11:03pm:
Take your last cheap shot.


Thanks for the invite, & here it is: turning an interesting & useful discussion into an asinine travesty is my definition of "bad for the forum."
  
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Reply #31 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 2:42pm
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Any action taken with epoxy will require a very clean surface for effective bonding. As several replies have noted, the cleaning and surface treatment will show as a different spot from the rest of the barrel. 

Before the days of true pistols scopes , a project to bond a Weaver K4 with a Litschert Long Eye Relief adaptor to a Ruger Blackhawk .30 Carbine required us to remove all the blueing. This was a noticeable bright spot. And, after several cylinders of full- house loads, the scope popped off the barrel. 

Despite the added cost, consider a new barrel for shooting since you can set it up as you want. When done, you can reinstall the original barrel. The cost of a new barrel and installation will probably be equivalent to a custom scope mount solution.
  

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Reply #32 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 9:47am
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I've glassed the bar with scope bases on several rifles.  Only takes degreasing, no harm to bluing.  Never had one come off, however, the largest caliber I used in this arrangement was a 38-55.  I think the application on pistol is in a whole 'nother thing.
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Reply #33 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 10:47am
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pmcfall wrote on Feb 27th, 2018 at 9:47am:
  I think the application on pistol is in a whole 'nother thing.
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Certainly is on high-power handguns--just to prevent the scope from sliding in the rings requires an extra ring and/or rosin, Locktite, etc., inside the rings.  However, an epoxied mount has stayed on a Ruger .22 I have for over 30 yrs.  Not that I've used it a great deal--quickly found that even a 2.5X scope was too jittery except from a rest.
  
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