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Reply #15 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 3:54pm
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frnkeore wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 3:21pm:
A better size picture.

diffidently a repo.

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Reply #16 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 3:55pm
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ledball wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
I don’t think it’s a Stevens.  Ledball


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Reply #17 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 4:10pm
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An old Stevens it is not.  I am curious about the mainspring.  Is it a flat spring like a 44 action or a coil spring with a push rod like a 417?  The stock must be removed to find out for sure.  Although pulling the trigger on a fired case might give a clue.  A coiled mainspring will probably give a stiff trigger pull.  A flat mainspring may be a bit easier.

Whatever the source of the reproduction, it is what it is.   I would try it with some sort of standard velocity Long Rifles at 100 yards, off sandbags & a stiff bench.  If the bullets go through the target at an angle, try it with Shorts.
  
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Reply #18 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 4:35pm
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waterman wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
An old Stevens it is not.  I am curious about the mainspring.  Is it a flat spring like a 44 action or a coil spring with a push rod like a 417?  The stock must be removed to find out for sure.  Although pulling the trigger on a fired case might give a clue.  A coiled mainspring will probably give a stiff trigger pull.  A flat mainspring may be a bit easier.

Whatever the source of the reproduction, it is what it is.   I would try it with some sort of standard velocity Long Rifles at 100 yards, off sandbags & a stiff bench.  If the bullets go through the target at an angle, try it with Shorts.

Thanks for the advice! I’ll try standard ammo and see how it goes. It has a flat mainspring? but it attaches to the top of the receiver vs an “S” and attaching to the bottom.

  
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Reply #19 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 4:51pm
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A little history on this gun...this elderly lady’s husband had passed away and she brought 12 guns to the neighborhood gun store. I ended up purchasing all 12. I ended up paying about $70 per gun so I don’t think I got stung too bad. 

I purchased the below in addition.
1 Winchester Model 12
2 Stevens 22/410. 
1 Ithaca 37
5 black powder revolvers
1 IJ 38 
1 NAA 22

  
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Reply #20 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:11pm
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Reply #21 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:21pm
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frnkeore wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
Spring



Thanks Frank!!  Not sure how to resize pictures. I’ll have to ask my teenagers when they get home.  Grin
  
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Reply #22 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:23pm
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Is that an improvement on the Stevens 44 flat spring after all these years?   

The Stevens was held in place by tension between the hammer and a cylindrical block screwed into the lower (and much longer) tang.  Later versions had the mainspring fastened to the lower tang with a screw.  Not better as far as trigger pull was concerned.  Coil mainspring & push rod also worked off lower tang.  Trigger pull was worse than flat spring.
  
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Reply #23 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:27pm
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I'm really curious as to the origin of the rifle.  I've never seen anything like it.  Could it be a home workshop project?
  
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Reply #24 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:28pm
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The general styling as can be seen in the full-length photo is not that bad for a modern repro, except for the horribly botched "blueing."  But what's that medallion on the pistol grip?  Maybe some clue to its nationality?
  
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Reply #25 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:33pm
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Watchnguns wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
A little history on this gun...this elderly lady’s husband had passed away and she brought 12 guns to the neighborhood gun store. I ended up purchasing all 12. I ended up paying about $70 per gun so I don’t think I got stung too bad. 

I purchased the below in addition.
1 Winchester Model 12
2 Stevens 22/410. 
1 Ithaca 37
5 black powder revolvers
1 IJ 38 
1 NAA 22



The Stevens/Savage over & under is a nice item, esp. if it's an earlier one.  I had one with the 20 g. brl. about 50 yrs ago and thought very well of it...until someone stole it out of my truck.
  
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Reply #26 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:48pm
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I would say you got a great deal on the bulk purchase. Not sure exactly what you have there but it is interesting. To me it looks like a Stevens 44 that someone took a lot of time modifiying. The lever is way too thick to be made by Stevens and not sure if the Stevens frame is wide enough for it. The lower tang would have to have been shortened if it is a Stevens. The purple blueing on the reciever looks like a typical Stevens that has been hot blued. For what you paid, see how it shoots and have fun with it.
  
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Reply #27 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 6:10pm
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Redsetter wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:28pm:
The general styling as can be seen in the full-length photo is not that bad for a modern repro, except for the horribly botched "blueing."  But what's that medallion on the pistol grip?  Maybe some clue to its nationality?


The quality of the gun is not terrible, seems to be on par with most of the other guns I have. I’ve never handled a Stevens 44 so can give a comparison. Also I believe the medallion on the pistol grip was added by the original owner.  Several of the guns I purchased had these. Thank you!
  
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Reply #28 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 6:15pm
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slumlord44 wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:48pm:
I would say you got a great deal on the bulk purchase. Not sure exactly what you have there but it is interesting. To me it looks like a Stevens 44 that someone took a lot of time modifiying. The lever is way too thick to be made by Stevens and not sure if the Stevens frame is wide enough for it. The lower tang would have to have been shortened if it is a Stevens. The purple blueing on the reciever looks like a typical Stevens that has been hot blued. For what you paid, see how it shoots and have fun with it.


I agree, I’m just going to take it out and have fun. I did shoot a couple 22 shorts through it but decided to hold off until I knew more about it.   Thank you!! 
  
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Reply #29 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 6:19pm
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Redsetter wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:33pm:
Watchnguns wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
A little history on this gun...this elderly lady’s husband had passed away and she brought 12 guns to the neighborhood gun store. I ended up purchasing all 12. I ended up paying about $70 per gun so I don’t think I got stung too bad. 

I purchased the below in addition.
1 Winchester Model 12
2 Stevens 22/410. 
1 Ithaca 37
5 black powder revolvers
1 IJ 38 
1 NAA 22



The Stevens/Savage over & under is a nice item, esp. if it's an earlier one.  I had one with the 20 g. brl. about 50 yrs ago and thought very well of it...until someone stole it out of my truck.


That’s terrible that someone stole your gun. Angry The Stevens 22/410 are neat guns.  One of them is stamped USAF on the receiver which is cool and probably bumps the value a little. Thank you!
  
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