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Watchnguns Junior Member Offline Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2018	Help needed to ID Jan 14^th, 2018 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Hey everyone! I need some help ID’ing this 22. Based on the the research I’ve done it appears to at least be based on a Stevens? There are no brand marks that I can find, only a serial number. Any help is appreciated. Jeff


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Watchnguns Junior Member Offline Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2018	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #1 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 11:15am	Print Post
	Another picture


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #2 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:17pm	Print Post
	Yes, it's some kind of customized Stevens derivative based on the 44-type swinging-block action. Wonder if it could be one of the repro Favorites turned out by Savage in the '80s & '90s? Although I think they all had S-shaped levers, and were clearly marked Savage.


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Watchnguns Junior Member Offline Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2018	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #3 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:33pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:17pm: Yes, it's some kind of customized Stevens derivative based on the 44-type swinging-block action. Wonder if it could be one of the repro Favorites turned out by Savage in the '80s & '90s? Although I think they all had S-shaped levers, and were clearly marked Savage. Thank you!!! Do you think it’s safe to shoot 22 LR or should I stick with 22 shorts? Thanks again!


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2798 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #4 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:35pm	Print Post
	I think it is a worked-over 47 on a 44 action. I have seen that sort of finish on actions that were hot blued. Remove the fore-end and look at the face of the action. There should be code numbers stamped there. If you remove the buttstock, a look at the mainspring and the post that holds it in place will tell a bit more. Is it rifled for Shorts (about 1:25) or is it rifled 1:16 for Long Rifles? Stevens 44 actions make dandy .22 rimfires. If it is in reasonably sound condition, Long Rifles will not be a problem, but standard velocity ammo will give better results. If it has an original Stevens barrel (roll marks & SN on the bottom of the barrel) and if the bore is good, you may be surprised at the accuracy.
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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #5 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:44pm	Print Post
	waterman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:35pm: I think it is a worked-over 47 on a 44 action. If so, the trigger has been replaced--no 47 was ever fitted with such an ugly thick trigger. And though 47s had a loop-lever, this one is--how shall I put it?--coarse looking; just not up to Stevens' quality standards.


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Watchnguns Junior Member Offline Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2018	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #6 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:11pm	Print Post
	waterman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:35pm: I think it is a worked-over 47 on a 44 action. I have seen that sort of finish on actions that were hot blued. Remove the fore-end and look at the face of the action. There should be code numbers stamped there. If you remove the buttstock, a look at the mainspring and the post that holds it in place will tell a bit more. Is it rifled for Shorts (about 1:25) or is it rifled 1:16 for Long Rifles? Stevens 44 actions make dandy .22 rimfires. If it is in reasonably sound condition, Long Rifles will not be a problem, but standard velocity ammo will give better results. If it has an original Stevens barrel (roll marks & SN on the bottom of the barrel) and if the bore is good, you may be surprised at the accuracy. Waterman..thank you! How can the layman tell the rifling? Here are the picture and I could not find any markings.


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Watchnguns Junior Member Offline Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2018	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #7 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:12pm	Print Post
	Receiver


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Watchnguns Junior Member Offline Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2018	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #8 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:30pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:44pm: waterman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:35pm: I think it is a worked-over 47 on a 44 action. If so, the trigger has been replaced--no 47 was ever fitted with such an ugly thick trigger. And though 47s had a loop-lever, this one is--how shall I put it?--coarse looking; just not up to Stevens' quality standards. I take it you’re not a fan of my 22. j/k


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #9 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	Watchnguns wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:30pm: I take it you’re not a fan of my 22. j/k [/quote] I'm not a fan of ANY mass-produced repro, if, as I suspect, that's what it is; if you'd ever had a Stevens 47 in your hands, you'd know what I'm talking about. Even the modern and well-made Savage Favorite repros are clunky compared to the originals. However, as a plinker, it may be as good as any; although any unmarked gun should arouse one's suspicions as to quality.


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Watchnguns Junior Member Offline Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2018	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #10 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:14pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:58pm: Watchnguns wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:30pm: I take it you’re not a fan of my 22. j/k I'm not a fan of ANY mass-produced repro, if, as I suspect, that's what it is; if you'd ever had a Stevens 47 in your hands, you'd know what I'm talking about. Even the modern and well-made Savage Favorite repros are clunky compared to the originals. However, as a plinker, it may be as good as any; although any unmarked gun should arouse one's suspicions as to quality. [/quote I’m sorry if you took my comment seriously..it was meant to be tongue and cheek. Who made mass production versions of the 44 or 47? This could definitely be what it is.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #11 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:07pm	Print Post
	Watchnguns wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:14pm: Who made mass production versions of the 44 or 47? Nobody except Savage after they bought out Stevens about 1920. The lack of markings makes me wonder if it could be of foreign-origin, and some of the South American countries like Brazil have produced numerous knock-offs of US-designed guns; however, those imported into the US are usually marked.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7142 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #12 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:21pm	Print Post
	A better size picture. diffidently a repo. Frank

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1008 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #13 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	I don’t think it’s a Stevens. Ledball


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Watchnguns Junior Member Offline Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2018	Re: Help needed to ID Reply #14 - Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:54pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:07pm: Watchnguns wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:14pm: Who made mass production versions of the 44 or 47? Nobody except Savage after they bought out Stevens about 1920. The lack of markings makes me wonder if it could be of foreign-origin, and some of the South American countries like Brazil have produced numerous knock-offs of US-designed guns; however, those imported into the US are usually marked. Thank you!


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