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Amoretti Full Member Offline Posts: 214 Location: thermopolis, Wy Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2009	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #30 - Mar 27^th, 2018 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	Beautiful Borchardts! One can tell his work cause often he replaced the center pin on the cocking plates with a screw. So did I as I'm trying to incorporate his good ideas into my rifle. A question I have is I'd like to use a Zischang stock ala what CPA sell but don't know how good it would be off the bench. Comments? John


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #31 - Mar 27^th, 2018 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	Amoretti wrote on Mar 27^th, 2018 at 5:15pm: A question I have is I'd like to use a Zischang stock ala what CPA sell but don't know how good it would be off the bench. Comments? John You can shoot any stock off the bench. I shoot a Ballard similar to this (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) You just have to work a bit harder at it to shoot 250s and compete with modern BR stocks.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7393 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #32 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	Amoretti wrote on Mar 27^th, 2018 at 5:15pm: A question I have is I'd like to use a Zischang stock ala what CPA sell but don't know how good it would be off the bench. Comments? John If you can live with a wide forearm, it will help a lot on the bench, with a hooked plate. You can swap it out when not shooting bench. The other thing is to just put the biceps part of your arm, inside the hooks or shoot free recoil. Frank

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Dales Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 313 Location: Western NY Joined: Oct 21^st, 2013	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #33 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 2:14pm	Print Post
	I built a Zischang clone using the CPA stock in 25-21 and have used it for benchrest I use a barrel sled which helps a lot and remove the Zischang buttplate and replace with a thin brass flat pate . It takes a lot more effort to shoot but it will work. Biggest problem I had was one of our local ranges is up hill and had trouble with the rifle sliding down the rest. No 250s but fun to use. Dales


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #34 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	I have been shooting a traditional design rifle for seventeen years and I have never felt I was taking a back seat to anything found on the line. I currently hold an ASSRA record, a past CBA National Champion and accumulated 174 top three finishes in CBA alone. There is a bit more difficulty in learning how to shoot one compared to a custom built benchrest rifle by design. But it is also well worth the effort if you have the desire and the heart for it and you too can very easily accomplish the same and yet more. I would also recommend having a custom front rest bag made to rest your barrel on as it is a big plus and also inexpensive to have David at Protektor USA make for you. If memory serves me right it only cost me $39.00 and I filled mine with 1/2 heavy sand and 1/2 Parkeet Gravel of which helps limit barrel jump and vibration and that combination has worked out very well for me. JLouis
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #35 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	I swap off the Schoyen hooked buttplate for a plastic copy of a Ballard buttplate when shooting mine off the bench. I simply ordered a copy of the old Ballard hard rubber buttplate, and then heated it in boiling water to soften it. I took it out and taped it to the stock using gloves to allow handling it hot. Then after it cooled I drilled a pair of holes to match the buttplate and screwed it on. Filed off the excess to match it to the stock. Only takes a couple minutes to swap from one to the other. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #36 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 9:45pm	Print Post
	How often do you make the change, Val? I thought about that but when shooting of matches every year I was worried about were and tear running the wood screws in and out all the time. At 16 pounds the rifle would be a bit awkward to shoot offhand without the original butt plate.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #37 - Mar 29^th, 2018 at 11:02am	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 9:45pm: How often do you make the change, Val? I thought about that but when shooting of matches every year I was worried about were and tear running the wood screws in and out all the time. At 16 pounds the rifle would be a bit awkward to shoot offhand without the original butt plate. Since my buttplates use two different sets of holes it's not as bad as running screws into the same holes for both plates. I use it almost exclusively with the Schoyen schuetzen offhand buttplate. Maybe once a year I shoot it extensively off cross sticks or bench, and then switch to the spare buttplate. I don't crank the screws down with a death grip for either buttplate.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #38 - Mar 29^th, 2018 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	That would definitively be a lot better than changing it several times during shoulder to shoulder matches several times a year. The only place I have found the long prong butt plate a significant disadvantage is shooting about 6 degrees uphill at Tommy's in Spokane. Other flatter ranges it is easy to deal with as long as one keeps their wits about themselves
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #39 - Mar 29^th, 2018 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester wrote on Mar 29^th, 2018 at 1:33pm: The only place I have flu d the long print butt plate a significant disadvantage is shooting about 6 degrees uphill at Tommy's in Spokane. Other flatter ranges it is easy to deal with as long as one keeps their wits about themselves Mine is a .22LR Badger barrel, so haven't shot it past 500 yds. I can hear hits on the 400 yd. dinger, but just barely. The 500 yd. dinger is very tough to hear hits unless everyone is pretty quiet.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #40 - Mar 29^th, 2018 at 10:06pm	Print Post
	Vall, You can hear hits on dingers? Amazing!

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3677 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #41 - Mar 29^th, 2018 at 10:51pm	Print Post
	I can hear mortar rounds hitting the concrete bunker. If I'm sorta close.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16730 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #42 - Mar 30^th, 2018 at 10:46am	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester wrote on Mar 29^th, 2018 at 10:06pm: Vall, You can hear hits on dingers? Amazing! Yes, as long as I listen with my good ear!

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idjeffp Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 344 Location: Boise, ID Joined: Nov 11^th, 2017	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #43 - Mar 30^th, 2018 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Another similar casting... I've been chatting with my ol' friend again and asked him if he had any other such lever castings... and he recently came across this one and sent it to me with some other stuff. Still marked with the original price from yrs ago when purchased. He said the lump was for a Stevens 44. Glad to have it! Wondering if Rodney recognizes this specific one?


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rodneys Oldtimer Offline Posts: 694 Location: Central Oklahoma Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Re: Zischang? lever casting for Ballard wanted... Reply #44 - Mar 30^th, 2018 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	No It is not one of mine. It has been a while at that price.


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