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oodmoff Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 276 Location: colorado springs Joined: Jan 12^th, 2009	So you wanna shoot do ya! Nov 16^th, 2017 at 11:20am	Print Post
	Was doing an internet search for antique targets and came across this image. Hopefully its not a repost. Theses fine ladies seem rather ready to dispose of the next lesser man in a friendly bit of competition. Btw I did not give the name to the photo, just copied it.
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16111 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #1 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 11:45am	Print Post
	I have a book that is full of pictures of old targets. Can't remember the name, and our friend Craig borrowed it months ago and I'm still waiting for him to make enlarged copies of some targets in the book. Might be a good resource if you're looking for pictures of targets. (once I get it back!)

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cleanprone Participating Member Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Dec 17^th, 2015	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #2 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 11:48am	Print Post
	I believe those are the ladies of Alma, Wisconsin with their Patt/Martini rifles.


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oodmoff Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 276 Location: colorado springs Joined: Jan 12^th, 2009	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #3 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 11:59am	Print Post
	Vall, would be very interested in seeing the book or at least getting the info on it and trying to tract down a copy. Craig seems to be a busy guy.... I thought the rifle on the right almost looked like a Ballard, tough to tell.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16111 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #4 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 2:56pm	Print Post
	oodmoff wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 11:59am: Vall, would be very interested in seeing the book or at least getting the info on it and trying to tract down a copy. Craig seems to be a busy guy.... I thought the rifle on the right almost looked like a Ballard, tough to tell. I thought it might be a Ballard too! Customized, and I see it's got two forearm screws that Ballard never had on any model. Great picture! Glad you posted this, as it prompted me to email Craig and ask again for my book! He's bringing the book and enlarged prints he made from it to our show this Sunday! I'll shoot you an email with the title and some pictures when I get them back!

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45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 203 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #5 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:07pm	Print Post
	Here is where I first saw that photo. I have a copy of the book and the credit reads: "Women with Schuetzen Rifles" circa 1889. Courtesy of Wisconsin Historical Society. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 203 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #6 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 2:56pm: oodmoff wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 11:59am: Vall, would be very interested in seeing the book or at least getting the info on it and trying to tract down a copy. Craig seems to be a busy guy.... I thought the rifle on the right almost looked like a Ballard, tough to tell. I thought it might be a Ballard too! Customized, and I see it's got two forearm screws that Ballard never had on any model. Great picture! Glad you posted this, as it prompted me to email Craig and ask again for my book! He's bringing the book and enlarged prints he made from it to our show this Sunday! I'll shoot you an email with the title and some pictures when I get them back! Here are the two I have not sure if they are the ones you are referring to or not. I see the Anne Braun book every once in awhile but good luck finding the other one, took me several years to find it.

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oodmoff Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 276 Location: colorado springs Joined: Jan 12^th, 2009	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #7 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	thanks 45govt!


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16111 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #8 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:57pm	Print Post
	45govt wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:17pm: Here are the two I have not sure if they are the ones you are referring to or not. Yes, the book "Historical Targets" is the one I have. Pretty nicely illustrated book! There's 6 copies of "Schiess Scheiben" on Amazon. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2042 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #9 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	I thought it might be a Ballard too! Customized, and I see it's got two forearm screws that Ballard never had on any model. Great picture! Glad you posted this, as it prompted me to email Craig and ask again for my book! He's bringing the book and enlarged prints he made from it to our show this Sunday! I'll shoot you an email with the title and some pictures when I get them back! [/quote] I'm thinking it's an early Ballard, like a B&W or M&B that had the manual ejector in front of the action in the forearm? Appears to have a Schuetzen lever but a single trigger?

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16111 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #10 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 10:15am	Print Post
	GT wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 10:05pm: I'm thinking it's an early Ballard, like a B&W or M&B that had the manual ejector in front of the action in the forearm? Appears to have a Schuetzen lever but a single trigger? Looked like a Pacific action, and appears to have double set triggers too. Pacific style lever for sure. I think what appears to be an external extractor is actually a base for a palm rest that is not attached in the picture. Might be a single scre forearm afterall, and the base is what I saw as a 2nd screw in the smaller image.

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2836 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #11 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	A year or 2 back, we had a long thread on the ladies from Alma and learned their identities. Pioneer ladies they were not. If they saw a squirrel, it was in the city park.


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #12 - Nov 19^th, 2017 at 9:19am	Print Post
	As Waterman notes, we've discussed these ladies before pretty exhaustively. But for those who want to know NOW, here's a summary. The displayed photo was taken by Gerhard Gesell of Alma, Wisconsin. The original photo is part of the Wisconsin Historical Society's collection (WHS Image 9831). The three women are two sisters and another member of Alma's Women’s Shooting Society. At one time I knew their names (as Waterman also notes), thanks to an Alma Historical Society pamphlet that my former father-in-law (now deceased) and an Alma native had in his collection. (And, no, I don't have the pamphlet; but in any case, it's a great photo.) Also, Christian Patt worked in Alma back then and supplied many of the local verein members with their guns. As noted in several sources, he used imported Martini actions almost exclusively. Last, I agree with Marlinguy that the forearm "screw" just in front of the Ballard's receiver is a palm rest base. Bill Lawrence


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #13 - Nov 19^th, 2017 at 10:54pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 10:15am: Pacific style lever for sure. But not the common one--the early & rare variant with a spur!


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16111 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: So you wanna shoot do ya! Reply #14 - Nov 20^th, 2017 at 11:24am	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Nov 19^th, 2017 at 10:54pm: marlinguy wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 10:15am: Pacific style lever for sure. But not the common one--the early & rare variant with a spur! Oops! Right you are. I missed the spur, which makes it a #6 Schuetzen lever.

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