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Reply #15 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:35am
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Gents, 

Take a better look at that pic (the enlarged one) - those are Martini-actioned rifles, not Ballards.  Just check the receiver shape and configuration.  Those ladies definitely knew which rifle to pick Wink
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 7:44am
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Take a better look at that pic (the enlarged one) - those are Martini-actioned rifles, not Ballards.

You're almost right.  The left-hand and center rifles are indeed Martini-actioned, most likely by Christian Patt (in fact, if I remember correctly, one of them is on display at the Alma Historical Society).

But the right-hand rifle if you look carefully at the action's length and what you can deduce from its profile and shadowing and from the lever profile, is not a Martini but almost certainly a Ballard.

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Reply #17 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 10:43am
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 7:44am:
[color=#ff0000] ...not a Martini but almost certainly a Ballard.


Really no need to say "almost."   
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am
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MartiniBelgian wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:35am:
Those ladies definitely knew which rifle to pick.


Excluding Big Bertha!
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 11:06am
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MartiniBelgian wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:35am:
Gents, 

Take a better look at that pic (the enlarged one) - those are Martini-actioned rifles, not Ballards.  Just check the receiver shape and configuration.  Those ladies definitely knew which rifle to pick Wink


I would think a Martini guy would know that only two were Martini based rifles?
  

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Reply #20 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 4:36am
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Well,

I just took a look at rifle 1 and 2, not 3, my mistake...  I thought that the 3 ladies had all made the right choice Wink
  
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Reply #21 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 11:04am
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MartiniBelgian wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 4:36am:
Well,

I just took a look at rifle 1 and 2, not 3, my mistake...  I thought that the 3 ladies had all made the right choice Wink


Nope, it appears only one made the right choice!!  Wink
  

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Reply #22 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:35pm
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Now, now, marlinguy.

In the spirit of devil's advocacy, I will point out that the two sisters display their rifles prominently, while the third lady, not so much.  Could it be that Lady No. 3 was not quite as proud of her Ballard?

Or perhaps the Ballard simply wasn't made up by Patt.  For while he was not John Meunier, Christian Patt's reputation was such that his rifles dominated the firing line in the Alma area.  Moreover Alma was a Swiss-German community, so it's not surprising that Patt and many or most of his clients preferred Martini actions, at the time the standard actions of their home country's army rifles.

In short, a person's choice of rifle is sometimes nothing more than what she likes or knows best.

Last - and this is not speculation - the two Martini-holding sisters are Julia & Emma Protz.  Source: SHUETZENVEREIN, THE ALMA SHOOTING SOCIETY, eleventh in a series of articles on the 19th century photography of Gerhard Gesell, all researched and written by Katherine Goodman and published by the Alma Historical Society.

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Reply #23 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 6:43pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
Now, now, marlinguy.

In the spirit of devil's advocacy, I will point out that the two sisters display their rifles prominently, while the third lady, not so much.  Could it be that Lady No. 3 was not quite as proud of her Ballard?

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Well it appears the photographer was doing more to crop part of her rifle off than she was doing to hide it. With those full lovely dresses of the day, if she wanted to hide a rifle it would have been easy to do so!
Appears both the lady on the left and right are both holding their rifles in similar fashion, with only the center gal holding hers full profile. But whatever anyone wants to see in the picture to make themselves happy, is OK by me! Some may even see three High walls!
  

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