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Reply #45 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:20am
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Redsetter, could you explain the proper way to handle this action?  I've been going to full cock on the hammer, then opening the block.  Because when I'm at "hammer down" or half cock, I can see the hammer start to move, and hear a few clicks, when starting to lower the lever.  That's why I was asking, are these meant to self cock?  Or go to half cock when opened?  I just don't want to break it, and it seems from full cock it's opening smoother with fewer internal "noises".  The lever and action seems fine, it's held up nice and snug when closed and all.  Just want to learn the "course of fire" for these before range day (today)!
  
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Reply #46 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:27am
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AZshot
That's a really nice rifle you have acquired.
If you are located in Az, we have a small but active Schuetzen Verein that meets at Ben Avery Shooting Facility (BASF) north of Phoenix.
On Dec 17 we will have an all day practice session at the BASF bench rest range. There should be several of our guys shooting 22RF. You and your new rifle will fit right in with with our group.
You are welcome (as is anyone) to come out and join us. Email or PM me and I can provide more details and 2017 schedule.
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Reply #47 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:38am
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Redsetter wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 7:16pm:
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You've been grossly mislead (perhaps by some of the malarkey about Stevens made up out of whole cloth by John Campbell?). .


I'm uncertain how I've been grossly mislead? Prior to Stevens purchase of Cataract they did indeed purchase scopes from Cataract. Since they offered scopes long before they purchased Cataract, I can't see how those scopes simply appeared in their catalog without Cataract or someone else making  them.
As for the mounts from Malcolm, I have no idea how they ended up on my Stevens scope, since over 100 years anything could  happen. I wasn't saying they came from Stevens with Malcom mounts, but Stevens did offer both Malcolm made scopes and their mounts prior to having their own scope business.
  

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Reply #48 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:48am
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That's a gorgeous Stevens you've purchased AZshot! The condition is fantastic, and having scope and two barrels is great! Not many Stevens built with single set triggers, so that's an unusual option on your gun! 
Of course you could shoot it in competition, but it is always a risk of a bump or ding every time you take a  gun out, so "rigorous" competitive shooting just means you're going to be shooting it a lot, so more chances to bump it.
I always lower the block with the hammer down. Not sure it matters on a Stevens, but it's safer to raise the block on a live round with the hammer down.
  

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Reply #49 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 11:29am
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marlinguy wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:38am:


I'm uncertain how I've been grossly mislead? Prior to Stevens purchase of Cataract they did indeed purchase scopes from Cataract.


Of course--any perusal of an early Stevens catalog will document that fact; but that (to refresh your memory) was not what you previously SAID: "Most the early Stevens were built by others. Cataract or Malcolm, so they used their mounts."

Am I wrong to infer a considerable difference between "built by" and "purchase from"?
  
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Reply #50 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 11:39am
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marlinguy wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:48am:

Of course you could shoot it in competition, but it is always a risk of a bump or ding every time you take a  gun out, so "rigorous" competitive shooting just means you're going to be shooting it a lot, so more chances to bump it.


This is the danger--you're distracted by the commotion going on all around you, and none of the crowd at such an event are going to be looking out for your gun.

About 30 yrs ago I traveled to a BP silhouette competition thinking it might be something I'd like to do with one of my precious original Ballards; five minutes observation of the dust clouds produced as shooters shook out their shooting mats, along with the general commotion, was all needed to see to convince me otherwise!
  
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Reply #51 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:02pm
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Hmm, when I shot at the BPCR matches in Raton, it was very calm and collected.  Many people were shooting custom Ballards, Hepburns, and such, with custom AAA grade wood and fantastic finishes.  Some original, some customs by Ron Long, Steve Garbe, and all those before anyone every heard of "Turnbull."  I never saw it later if it became chaotic, this was back in the 1990s, when only about 300 people would shoot the Nationals. 
  
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Reply #52 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:32pm
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Redsetter wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 11:29am:
marlinguy wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:38am:


I'm uncertain how I've been grossly mislead? Prior to Stevens purchase of Cataract they did indeed purchase scopes from Cataract.


Of course--any perusal of an early Stevens catalog will document that fact; but that (to refresh your memory) was not what you previously SAID: "Most the early Stevens were built by others. Cataract or Malcolm, so they used their mounts."

Am I wrong to infer a considerable difference between "built by" and "purchase from"?


My mistake. I meant to say most of the early scopes offered by Stevens were Cataract or Malcom.  Sorry I miss typed that, which appeared like I meant they were Stevens marked. wasn't what I was trying to infer.
  

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Reply #53 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:38pm
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AZshot wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Hmm, when I shot at the BPCR matches in Raton, it was very calm and collected.  Many people were shooting custom Ballards, Hepburns, and such, with custom AAA grade wood and fantastic finishes.  Some original, some customs by Ron Long, Steve Garbe, and all those before anyone every heard of "Turnbull."  I never saw it later if it became chaotic, this was back in the 1990s, when only about 300 people would shoot the Nationals. 


Like anything else, what someone chooses to do with their collectible guns is their choice. I have people tell me I'm crazy to hunt with my old Ballard rifles, as I could fall and damage one. I choose to take that chance, as I want to enjoy mine as they were intended. I have no problem hunting, or competing with a nice old original, and not trying to discourage you either. Just telling you that it does open up the possibility of bumps and dings. 
I'm pretty sure all of my old Ballards have been shot often by previous owners, so my doing the same is OK by me.
  

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Reply #54 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:46pm
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I agree with Vall.
It's the same for people who restore old cars to better than original and trailer them to shows, take them home and wash and wax everything including the chassis.
The rifles are meant to be shot and the cars to be driven.
More power to you if you just collect and never shoot, I don't shoot much myself.
But it's not because I'm afraid to use my best rifle, where's the fun in that?
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Reply #55 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:50pm
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If you plan to shoot it, leave the scope it has now- it's better than the older ones anyhow, and might have been added as an update while the gun was still in ordinary use. 
The gun in the field never bothered me. I've taken valuable rifles hunting and always to the range. It's what they're for, ain't it?
Finally, you sure got a nice one there. Merry Christmas.
  
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Reply #56 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:58pm
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AZshot wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Hmm, when I shot at the BPCR matches in Raton, it was very calm and collected.  Many people were shooting custom Ballards, Hepburns, and such, with custom AAA grade wood and fantastic finishes.  Some original, some customs by Ron Long, Steve Garbe, and all those before anyone every heard of "Turnbull." 


New $5000 guns, or originals that have been "customized," or originals in beater condition...no problem.  But a very rare gun in apparently immaculate condition is quite a different proposition, I think.

Hunting in good terrain (not scaling cliffs, for ex.) in good weather (i.e., not in a rain or snow storm) is far less hazardous, I think, because there are no other people around to distract you, like the guy who started talking to me while I was loading my boat at a public boat launch, causing me to go off and leave a $1000 bamboo rod that was gone when I went back to look for it.  I've hunted with many of my prized antique guns, though none of them, I have to say, in such beautiful condition as your Stevens.

I remember Doug from the time he'd rent one or two tables to display his work at the formerly great Syracuse show, where many fine SSs showed up...30+ yrs ago!  Had a feeling that lad was going places!

  
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Reply #57 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 3:27pm
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For me the only difference in whether I shoot, hunt, or use a gun, is it's condition. Even the most pristine and rare guns I own get shot and occasionally hunted with. But I wont take one of the nicest out in inclement weather, when I can grab one that's less valuable.
As Aaron said, it's the same for my old cars. I have one I wont drive in nasty weather, but the others are all fair game in anything but ice or snow.
  

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Reply #58 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 4:26pm
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Well, shooting it is a done deal.  My daughter and I just got back from the range, where we had quite a good time shooting this old beauty.  The set trigger is nice, not too light, perhaps a pound or two.  The first two shots were almost on top of each other, but at short range to check the scope.  It was close enough, so I shot the rest of the time at 50 yards.  It seems very accurate, but there was a coming and going cross breeze.  About 1.2" groups.  

My 22 year old daughter seems to have shot better than me.

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Reply #59 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 7:57pm
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Sure looks like a keeper AZshot! I'd probably leave that scope on it myself, as it's a much better choice (if you plan to shoot it) than any other scope would be.
  

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