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Rolling block rechamber?
May 25th, 2015 at 12:11pm
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Picked up an early #1 Rolling Block at our single shot show yesterday. It's in .44 Long CF, and has a good bore. The metal is good, but no finish left, and stocks need a lot of help. I want to rechamber to something easier to get brass, and that will work with the .439" bore, and 1-36" twist that it appears to have.
Looking for suggestions, or options for calibers that might be workable with the twist rate in this old Roller?
  

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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2015 at 1:04pm
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That's a tough one. I assume that your wanting inside lubed case type. 

The only shorter case that I could find is the 44/60 Sharps, they are 1.88 long but, it uses a .447 bullet and the case neck would be larger than needed for your .439 groove.

If you can get by using a "wildcat", I'd just have reamer made to use the 405 case, shortened to what ever length you want.

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Reply #2 - May 25th, 2015 at 1:23pm
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You could rechamber to 43 Spanish, it is a good (and original) cartridge for a Remington #1 sporting rifle.
What is the barrel length?
And, what part of the country are you in that you are so lucky as to have a show dedicated to single shot rifles? That's way cool.
  
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Reply #3 - May 25th, 2015 at 1:48pm
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rollingblock wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 1:23pm:
You could rechamber to 43 Spanish, it is a good (and original) cartridge for a Remington #1 sporting rifle.
What is the barrel length?
And, what part of the country are you in that you are so lucky as to have a show dedicated to single shot rifles? That's way cool.


The .43 Spanish was off my radar, but might be an interesting choice. I've got a bunch of old brass for the caliber, but no rifle, so maybe even better. 
Our little collector group (Oregon Arms Collectors) puts on monthly themes for our shows, and the "single shot" theme has been so popular that we do it every Memorial Day weekend each year! I seem to end up with another single shot every year at this show! Was surprised to find a very early Rolling Block Sporter this year.
  

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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2015 at 1:50pm
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frnkeore wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 1:04pm:
That's a tough one. I assume that your wanting inside lubed case type. 

The only shorter case that I could find is the 44/60 Sharps, they are 1.88 long but, it uses a .447 bullet and the case neck would be larger than needed for your .439 groove.

If you can get by using a "wildcat", I'd just have reamer made to use the 405 case, shortened to what ever length you want.

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Really don't want to get into the expense of a custom reamer, and custom dies that a wildcat would involve.
  

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Reply #5 - May 26th, 2015 at 2:08pm
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.43 Spanish was also my first thought.  Basically an under-boresize duplicate of the .44-77, and just as much fun to shoot.  Dies and molds readily available, and about a zillion military rolling blocks wer also chambered in it, though I don't know if any sporters were.

Or, since it's going to be non-original anyhow, how about having Bob Hoyt at the Freischutz Shop in Fairfield PA bore it and rifle it to .50-70 Govt?  Bob's work is impeccable, and prices reasonable.  (Fairly long backlog, though, but I promise you it will be worth the wait when the job's done.)
  

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Reply #6 - May 26th, 2015 at 8:16pm
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... and about a zillion military rolling blocks wer also chambered in it, though I don't know if any sporters were...

43 Spanish was a factory offering early through late Remington Rolling Block Sporting Rifle production. Roy Marcot's book on Remington Rolling Block Sporting and Target rifles mentions this chambering in several sections of the book, as well as providing pictures of several factory rifles chambered in 43 Spanish. If one wanted to keep the original barrel and bore, this would be a good choice.

I too like the 50-70 and have several rolling blocks in both calibers. 

If possible would like to see a picture or two of this new addition to the collection, love seeing pictures of original Remington Rolling Blocks.




  
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Reply #7 - May 26th, 2015 at 9:10pm
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It's not much to look at, as it appears that some time in it's life the buttstock got broken, and a military stock was reworked to fit it, and get it shooting again. I haven't decided how to address the bad buttstock, but may be replacing it, if I can save it, and still look decent.
Here's a picture of it below my set trigger #1 Sporter with 32" heavy barrel in .44-77SBN. The new one is the same barrel size, but 30".
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Not sure about a .50-70 or not. I really don't care to rebore it, as it's got a pretty good bore. Not too worried about keeping the originality, just not that interested in a .50 caliber.
This is fairly early in the octagon top production, but later as Rolling Blocks in general go. Serial number is in the 24xx range. It has patent dates on the upper tang, and no barrel roll stamp, where the other I own has a plain tang, with rollstamp on the barrel, and patent dates on the side of the receiver.
  

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Reply #8 - May 27th, 2015 at 10:09pm
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Both are very nice rifles. Since you have a 44-77 I would definitely consider rechambering the new rifle into a .43 Spanish. They would complement each other. Thanks for the pictures. Again, you have two great rifles. As for the butt stock, it looks like it was done long ago. I would leave as is, it does not detract from the rifle at all. Nice heavy barrel, also like the fixed rear sight. If you find rifles like this at the yearly single shot show, I may consider retiring in Oregon. I really like your new find.
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Reply #9 - May 28th, 2015 at 10:00am
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Thanks rollingblock! I would consider leaving the military stock as is on the gun, if it wasn't such a crude fit. It looks OK in the pictures, and at a glance, but it's got some gaps around the tangs from the wider military tangs. The two biggest issues are the lower tang, where the wood is nowhere near close, and the buttplate area. The buttplate fits extremely well, but the buttstock wood was simply worked down to buttplate size in the last 1"-1.5", which resulted in a "pregnant" look to the sides of the stock. I can still see the old rasp marks where they worked it down. It just detracts from what is a very nice Rolling Block otherwise.
I was a bit surprised by the rear sight. I've seen that sight on a couple Rolling Blocks, but not often. It's a very basic sight, and I like it, just because it's unusual. Marcot's book shows it on the "Deer Rifle" and the "Adirondack" model also.
  

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Reply #10 - Jun 10th, 2015 at 1:49pm
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Here's my "semi restoration" of the Rolling Block Sporter. I purchased a basic plain sporter 90% buttstock from Gunstocks Inc. and fitted it to the receiver. Then mixed up an acetone/whiting compound to remove the oily dark finish on the forearm wood. Once it was stripped, I determined it was a slightly darker walnut, so after sanding the buttstock, I stained it with a mix of three stains to get a similar color. 
  With both pieces of lumber similar I color, I started with the Minn Wax Wipe On Poly, doing coats on both. The new buttstock wood took in a lot of WOP before it started to build up, so it got about 8 coats, where the forearm only got a few. 
After it dried well for 24 hrs. in the warm garage, I rubbed both out with rottenstone powder to get them smooth, and aged. While the wood was between coats, I also overhauled all the screws. Heads were badly buggered, and slots stripped. Peened the metal back in place, filed the slots, and then blued them. Once blued I burnished them a bit to age them.
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Once it's had time to cure for a few weeks, I'll give it a coat of paste wax to seal it completely. Then tear it apart again, and do the chamber to most likely .43 Spanish.
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 10th, 2015 at 8:36pm
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4D Reamer Rentals has a .43 Spanish.....

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Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2015 at 9:46pm
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Val,

I've got a set of 43 spanish dies if you don't.  Only expensive, not outrageous!

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Reply #13 - Jun 10th, 2015 at 11:51pm
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Vail,
Nice work. This rolling block sporting rifle is coming along nicely. It is a fine, unique rifle. Give us a final update (with pictures) when completed.
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 11th, 2015 at 12:03am
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Since we're on the topic of old looking rolling blocks, here's a shot of one in 45-70 I finished this spring as a fill in time project.  The action I bought from a gentleman on the forum.  The barrel was an old Buhmiller blank I had kicking around and the stock was a $70 piece of wood that had been waiting for a home.  I antiqued the barrel to fairly well match the action since I didn't want to spend the time to pretty it all up.  The next guy can do that.  It's a good knock-around hunting rifle.  As it is I have nearly $600 just in parts.  I'll bet I couldn't sell it for that!  I guess the value I get is more therapeutic than anything.

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