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Reply #135 - Mar 8th, 2015 at 7:23pm
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by the way, the Blank auction closed at around $55.00 if I remember correctly.


How many here where bidding against each other?

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Reply #136 - Mar 9th, 2015 at 1:33am
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frnkeore wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 2:14pm:
Something that you should be considering, is that the hammer rotates on what is most likely a mild steel screw shank and making it out of high strength alloy, won't increase the strenght of the lock up but, only the wear quality of the hammer.

Shear strenghts are 1/2 of what tensile strengths are and the screw is in shear.

A grade 8 screw with a cased, mild steel hammer would be stronger.

Frank


True enough.  Wear life is what we're after, though.   

Nonetheless, I too have been thinking about using a stronger screw - easy to make from a grade 8 bolt, as you say.  And increasing the screw diameter to .250" from the .226" that Stevens used.
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Reply #137 - Mar 20th, 2015 at 11:57pm
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Hi All, Newbie here. Just recently got a Stevens 44 in .25-20SS after an extensive 3 year search of auctions and dealers both local and online. As I focused on the Model 44 over Dec. thru Feb. I noted the details provided by the photos - which might be of some interest to this group.

My initial source was limited to Frank DeH. excellent book. He notes that the Stevens 44 of 1894 underwent changes mostly in the early years after 1900. Details of the changes are noted and explained but not the sequence especially regarding relation to serial/nos. So I recorded all I could from intenet sales or auctions. This is what I hope is useful empirical data.

Production began with the Early model 44 which was a large version of the Favorite rimfire rifles. These have Extractors in the 7o'clock position and Screws threaded into right side of frame.

Then the Screws for the Breech Block and Lever were changed to the stronger "Pins with Captive Screws" which I call the Middle version.

The Late version has the Pins and the Extractor now in the 6o'clock position.

Later versions have other improvements such as the "Spring and Plunger" in the Lever to prevent droop.

After tracking about 35 examples of model 44s - ONLY in .25-20SS these are my observations:

S/N's 85xx and 11243 are Early versions. #'s 14889 and 15871 are Middle versions. #'s 17938 and 18295 are Late versions. All higher S/N's that had enough detailed photos were Late.

A dealer on Gun Broker "Dukes Guns" included this info - "S/N's 25000 to 55000 were produced from 1907 to 1912. Don't know where this came from, however it fits a timeline that has S/N's 15871 and 17983 bracket the Middle to Late transition being made about 1903 or '04.

So I felt confident when I found mine that it was a Late version. This is what I got: a Stevens Model 44 in .25-20SS cal. S/N 42292 with a 28" No. 2 weight barrel, standard Ideal rifle. It has the Pins and 6o'clock extractor and the Lever Plunger/Spring so is a Later version.

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Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer
Reply #138 - Mar 21st, 2015 at 7:50am
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Good work.   Been doing the same.   Sent you a P/M so we can compare notes.

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Reply #139 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 3:43pm
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rodneys wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
glad you are enjoying the Field. Regarding the alloys for single shot gun parts like the M44 lugged hammer, personally I like to use mild steel (1018) and fit and case it well ,as most orginals were done. like John said it is much easier for an hobbiest to do successfully. But having said that I will proably order some prehardened 4142 to make a batch of hammers and breechblocks. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it. Grin


Rodney,

Could you update us on prospects for "a batch of hammers and breechblocks"?

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Reply #140 - Apr 19th, 2015 at 10:21pm
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Yes I finally got a batch done. I have it under for sale.  thanks
  
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Reply #141 - Apr 19th, 2015 at 10:48pm
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Here are some photos of the lugged hammer and b block, the 44 hammer and b block and the water jet cut parts. notice the undercut on the breechblock. the original lugged hammer only locked up on the firing pin on this sample.
  
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Reply #142 - Apr 19th, 2015 at 10:48pm
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Reply #143 - Apr 19th, 2015 at 10:49pm
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Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer
Reply #144 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 11:42am
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Rodneys,

In your pictures you show original breechblocks for both 7 oklock and 6 oklock extractors but blanks only for 6 oklock. Is buyer expected to have your blank further machined for 7 oklock, or, is a batch of breechblocks for 7 oklock extractors yet to come?

My old Stevens M47 on 44 receiver has 7 oklock extractor. 

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Grisen
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Reply #145 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 1:07pm
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Speaking for Rodney....the blanks can be machined into either one.  And making a side extractor block is actually easier than making a center extractor version.   

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Reply #146 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 2:18pm
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Thanks Phil!

I will buy a breechblock blank from Rodney along with a lugged hammer block. 

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Reply #147 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 6:04pm
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I have two of each, BB and Hammer, on order with payment via PayPal transfer.
Looking forward to receiving the parts in the Mails.
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Reply #148 - Apr 27th, 2015 at 10:47pm
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My parts have arrived.  Thank you Rodney.
Chev. William
  
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