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broken_arrow Full Member Offline Posts: 202 Location: Lancaster County Joined: Aug 12^th, 2008	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #120 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 6:46am	Print Post
	rodneys wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 10:14pm: Regarding the castings I used to do, I have none on hand and don't expect to make any till I retire, that's the plan at this time. glad to be back. We can start the line here... right behind me

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4058 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #121 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 6:54am	Print Post
	Excellent !

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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #122 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 10:02am	Print Post
	Good News!! Please put me high on list for one!! Thanks, Grisen


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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #123 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 6:58pm	Print Post
	Searching for 4140, 8620, 4150, and 4142 on Google with mixed results. a piece of 4140 Rectangular bar 5/8" by 3" by 12" seems to run about $37.50 8620 seems to be a little higher. Did not find 4150 in small pieces. 4142 seems to run more for the same size piece. There are also Tool Steels listed by process rather than alloy designation (O1 or A1 rather than a alloy designation number). Perhaps others will have better luck finding suitable alloy small piece sources. Best Regards, Chev. William


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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #124 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 7:08pm	Print Post
	Perhaps a note about alloys: The WW2 manufacture of M1 Rifles used several steels but mostly 4140 and 8620 with suitable Case hardening and/or Heat treating and Tempering. The M1 rifle was tested with "proof Powder" loads of increasing strengths up to and including Full Cartridge Case loadings. NO Mi Rifle Receiver nor Bolt Ever Failed to function. In fact the Receiver and bolt from the Highest loaded 'proof' cartridge were then fired with 5000 rounds of service (.30 M1 Ball) ammunition after the proof test. So I believe either 4140 or 8620 would be suitable for these blanks and by extension 4142 should also be quite acceptable. Does anyone have other preferences? Best Regards, Chev. William


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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1752 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #125 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 8:20pm	Print Post
	Welcome, Rodney, Glad to see you here and making parts. I saw the 44 hammer you had on ebay a week ago, was going to contact you and see if you would make the lugged version from my drawing when I completed it. You've skipped ahead of that step, so great! I purchased the .450 - 3 1/4" Fields from you a few years ago. It's my favorite rifle to take to the range. dave


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1658 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #126 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	This might scare some of you but why not make them out of 12L14 if they are going to be case hardened, Thats what reloading dies are made of and they seem to hold up just fine. Another one that might work is 1045 which can be heat treated.

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rodneys Oldtimer Offline Posts: 666 Location: Central Oklahoma Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #127 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	glad you are enjoying the Field. Regarding the alloys for single shot gun parts like the M44 lugged hammer, personally I like to use mild steel (1018) and fit and case it well ,as most orginals were done. like John said it is much easier for an hobbiest to do successfully. But having said that I will proably order some prehardened 4142 to make a batch of hammers and breechblocks. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4058 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #128 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 12:07am	Print Post
	I'd like to see a steel with a higher yield point for the hammer in particular. John pointed out that the lug shows the battering when the steel is low carbon. No case hardening will prevent that. BTW I am a believer in 12L14 too. Also have some 41L40 that I bought to use for making breechblocks and hammers myself. Had to buy it in round bar form, though. There will be a lot of waste.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #129 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 12:39am	Print Post
	Unless you're going to do it yourself, someone's probably going to have to checker the spur of the hammer before heat-treating, so you might want to call your favorite engraver to get their input on alloy as well.

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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #130 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 12:59am	Print Post
	Sadly, I have no 'favorite Engraver' around me. The last 'Engraving' I had done was by a 'Trophy' Shop and they used a pantograph machine to do it on Flat surfaces. The two gun shop recommended Engravers declined to work on one of my 1915 Actions that has faint markings, the said they don't do Lettering. Best Regards, Chev. William


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1658 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #131 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 3:11pm	Print Post
	Try Gunfancy.com

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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #132 - Mar 7^th, 2015 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the reference, I will check them out. On the Ebay Auction for the unfinished Blank Lugged '44' Hammer, the bidding is getting 'scary' to me: Bidder Click here to know more about anonymous user IDs Bid Amount Bid Time Member Id: 9*o ( 1245Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) US $51.00 Mar-05-15 07:29:24 PST Member Id: ol ( 9 ) US $50.00 Mar-04-15 13:37:16 PST Member Id: 17 ( 2003Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) US $46.00 Mar-04-15 14:26:19 PST Member Id: 9o ( 1245Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) US $41.00 Mar-04-15 13:15:12 PST Member Id: ol ( 9 ) US $40.00 Mar-03-15 14:33:31 PST Member Id: 9o ( 1245Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) US $38.00 Mar-04-15 13:15:10 PST Member Id: 17 ( 2003Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) US $35.00 Mar-01-15 18:27:01 PST Member Id: chev42gpw ( 782Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $30.00 Mar-01-15 10:22:07 PST Member Id: 17 ( 2003Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) US $25.00 Mar-01-15 18:26:46 PST Member Id: 48 ( 14Feedback score is 10 to 49) US $21.00 Mar-01-15 17:32:14 PST Member Id: 4*8 ( 14Feedback score is 10 to 49) US $19.50 Mar-01-15 17:31:35 PST Starting Price US $19.00 Feb-28-15 19:10:36 PST Best Regards, Chev. William


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7161 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #133 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 2:14pm	Print Post
	Something that you should be considering, is that the hammer rotates on what is most likely a mild steel screw shank and making it out of high strength alloy, won't increase the strenght of the lock up but, only the wear quality of the hammer. Shear strenghts are 1/2 of what tensile strengths are and the screw is in shear. A grade 8 screw with a cased, mild steel hammer would be stronger. Frank

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Chev. William Full Member Offline Posts: 181 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 Lugged Hammer Reply #134 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 6:58pm	Print Post
	The Other Characteristic we are looking for is the Ability to withstand a Large number of Impacts on both the Hammer striking face and the Lug locking face Plus toughness to avoid 'mushrooming and withstand breaking/erosion of the Sear, half cock, and caming/spring contact surfaces. A pivot screw can be made of material which will also support shear loads well while being somewhat 'sacrificial to the Hammer, which is much more time consuming to make as a Replacement. by the way, the Blank auction closed at around $55.00 if I remember correctly. Best Regards, Chev. William


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