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Can't get 1885 Browning High Wall back together
Oct 2nd, 2013 at 11:51am
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I would love to hear from someone who has disassembled the Miroku made Browning High Wall, I have one in 45/70 with a failure to fire after years of use, I tried first to flush out any residue with some wd40 but still had the problem of it stopping at a half cock position every time I try to fire it. So I pulled it apart for a full cleaning.

I have read several threads on putting one of these back together and would like to hear form someone who has done it. What is the trick to getting those double coil mainsprings back in. I can't seem to get the ends of the spring guides back in their holes after a day of trying.

I have read two sets of instructions online, one showed installing the lever, and extractor into the receiver then while holding the hammer, main springs, mainspring guides, and trigger housing together, slide them up into the bottom of the action.   

In the other set of instructions it sounded like you might install the trigger housing first but if you do that I don't see how you are going to get the mainspring guides in their respective holes. I guess this is what happens when lawyers design gun parts and you are too hardheaded or too poor to afford the gunsmith (I am both).

To anyone who has one of these rifles and is having a failure to fire which might be the result of years of debris or residue gumming up the works, remove the wood and try cleaning with brake fluid before you take it completely apart. 

  
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Re: Can't get 1885 Browning High Wall back together
Reply #1 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 2:54pm
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Check with Texas-Mac,get his book on the browning.Do Not use WD it will gum it up.Remove wood and soak in mineral sp. Blow dry and try Rem-oil.Let it soak overnite,also try brake cleaner to clean out gum up.Might need a sear spring?Also get John Stepps Kit.Info in T>M> book.
  
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Re: Can't get 1885 Browning High Wall back together
Reply #2 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 3:05pm
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Also, check with Lee Shaver. He is pretty much the after-market gunsmith on these and offers trigger lightening service, etc. He did an excellent job on mine and is always happy to talk when you call. If nothing else, you could send him the barreled action (no wood) and he would clean, set the trigger where you want it for pull weight and reassemble for you for a reasonable fee.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 3:18pm
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Great advice SSS Lee is great to deal with,Bob.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 3:29pm
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I really just need to know do you have to slide the trigger housing in first then the hammer with springs/guide or do you have to slide the trigger housing and hammer with springs/guides all together at the same time.
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 6:57pm
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Again.......... ask Lee Shaver. He will be happy to help.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 8:52pm
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The gentleman does not want to send it off he simply wants to be able to put it back together. He has two specific questions and has yet to get a simple and more importantly useful answer. I don't have a clue or you would have recieved your answer and the rifle would be put back together.

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Reply #7 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:20pm
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IIRC the archives has something on sticking the Browning back together.... and they say without using four hands. 

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Re: Can't get 1885 Browning High Wall back together
Reply #8 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 12:41am
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They go in as a unit,but there are more things involved,jonnie stepps kit inst show the complete process.If you lived near me I would  show you how to assemble.PM me and ill send you a copy,Bob
  
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Re: Can't get 1885 Browning High Wall back together
Reply #9 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 3:58am
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I've had a couple Brownings apart. A bit of a overbuilt gob. Wasn't all that hard to put back together. I could disassemble and reassemble BSA gearboxes when I was twelve. Also did wrist watches and pocket watches when I was little. Kept monkeying with it till it went back together correctly. Monkey with it. I vaguely remember something about the trigger assembly being involved in assembly. Been a while. 

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Re: Can't get 1885 Browning High Wall back together
Reply #10 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:45am
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I have read two sets of instructions online, one showed installing the lever, and extractor into the receiver then while holding the hammer, main springs, mainspring guides, and trigger housing together, slide them up into the bottom of the action.  

In the other set of instructions it sounded like you might install the trigger housing first but if you do that I don't see how you are going to get the mainspring guides in their respective holes. I guess this is what happens when lawyers design gun parts and you are too hardheaded or too poor to afford the gunsmith (I am both).


Hutch,

Either approach works but, assuming you've remove the trigger housing assembly, installing everything together at once is the much easier method.  I cover both methods in detail in my book.  For more details on the book click on the link (www) to my web site below.  Good luck with the reassembly.

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Reply #11 - Oct 4th, 2013 at 4:50pm
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Thanks to all for the help, it was my fault for not understanding the instructions. The mistake I made was trying to take take the rifle apart as little as possible to make sure it was clean before looking for other caused for my failure to fire. I only removed the forstock, ejector parts under the forestock and drove the hammer pin out to removed the hammer and its coil springs with guides. Then I was able to better spray down into the trigger group to flush out any crud, there was some because before I flushed it out you could not even turn the trigger adjustment screw but after I flushed it out you could. 

Then I tried to put it back together and got stuck. You can take out the hammer and its springs out without removing the trigger housing but it seems to me you have no hope of putting it back together with the trigger housing still pinned in. Once I understood my mistake I removed the buttstock and trigger housing. Then I looked at how everything thing fit together and lined everything up with the trigger housing only partially in its channel. Even then when you get everything in place the pin that received the spring guide will rotate our of position, you simply turn it back to accept the guides and use the lever to push things in place. Then you open the lever just enough to line up the parts to insert the hammer pin. No problem. Hope this helps anyone who makes my same mistake.

What had been going on before is that when I tried to fire the rifle the hammer would stop at a half cock position, after a good cleaning of the trigger group it fell properly.
  
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Re: Can't get 1885 Browning High Wall back together
Reply #12 - Oct 4th, 2013 at 6:41pm
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Westerner, your speaking of working on watches takes me back a few years.  My dad used to keep all the guts of a pocket watch in a band-aid can on his desk.  When I asked him why he said it was to remind him to never again try to fix something he didn't know a darn thing about.  Sound advice.  GW
  
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