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Reply #15 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 3:24am
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Its funny how trigger attitude has changed here in North America over the last 150 years. Initially Europeans knew the necessity for a good trigger for precision shooting, and as European gun makers came over and started Gun manufacturing they were common here. I have a couple Target percussion rifles manufactured in Canada around 1860 that have amazingly good triggers (one double Schuetzen style , one single set) And also really like my original Remington-Hepburn double set
  But through the years we have become paranoid of a light trigger where the common attitude (even before Lawyer sensationalism) was that everyone needs a good solid heavy trigger to be safe (  excluding the small number of target shooters that were still precision minded). In my shooting upbringing light triggers were non-existant , untill I met a European Hunter (who shot a bit of 3 position over there) who introduced me to them, and now a good trigger is essential to my purchasing decision , as mentioned the Anschutz style 2 stage is perhaps ultimate,( 2 oz benchrest single stage is great too ) but I can shoot any style of target trigger,including double set with confidence, What a difference the very rare option of double set makes to a Model 1894 Winchester
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Reply #16 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 10:22am
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westerner wrote on Sep 21st, 2013 at 1:27am:
Have replaced two trigger springs in my DS highwall and broke one in Tommy Masons HW. Double sets on target rifles were made to be used as such. Using the trigger without setting it can and will break the trigger spring. Decocking will break it for sure. If your spring aint broke yet...........dumb luck??  Could be.  Grin

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The only double sets I use as single are my stevens.  I don't even think they work, maybe it's because I've made them that way?  I think they worked at one time and I didn't like using them, I've used them unset so long I'm not sure they even work.  I've thought I could just adjust them and they would work again, maybe I'm wrong.  I might work on them and try them, you never know they might be great!

The ballard works well, and I like it well enough to use it.  Its a bench gun so the light trigger is nice to keep the gun unmoving when fired on the rest in free recoil.  The Winchester doubles I've never liked the feel of them, so haven't made them up into a rifle, I might like them if I did one and used it.  The Winchester single sets don't feel real good at all, they're lighter but not better than a well tuned winchester standard trigger.  I have several originals that have come with them, so use the rifles as they came to me, but don't prefer them at all.   

I have a hepburn double set, but haven't used it enough to have an opinion on it.  I've owned a few Remington single sets, they work but I don't like the trigger action on them at all.  It's an over center design, and has excessive trigger movement to work.  The sudden movement of the trigger, and then stopping at the end of travel don't lend any help to accuracy.

Now, the guys I shoot with all have double sets on their sharps and wouldn't do without them.   

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Re: Double set triggers
Reply #17 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 2:14pm
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With all due respect to the departed anybody that says a DST is a handicap off hand shooting, never shot much offhand.

Trigger makes the rifle. My Anschutz 1712 two stage set at NRA required 2 lbs is good, Walter 10 M Air gun two stage set to about 8 oz also good.  Not as good as CPA's Double set which breaks about 4 oz

Thing about the double set is you handle the gun without setting then set it when you have everything ready to go, much less chance of Accidental discharge than relying on the two stage stopping and holding before let off.  I used to shoot Anschutz 64 MS with a very light two stage, and often lost targets when it went off before it should have.

Never happens with a double set, particulary if it has a finger rest for your trigger finger

I know the Millers don't have set triggers, but that's one of the reasons I don't have a Miller action rifle for offhand shooting.   

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Reply #18 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 4:26pm
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I know the Millers don't have set triggers, but that's one of the reasons I don't have a Miller action rifle for offhand shooting.   

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The Millers and Hochs can be set below 8 oz. My Hoch has been set below 8 oz but, 8 oz is about as low as I can reliably feel.

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Reply #19 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 5:56pm
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25-20 wrote Quote:
What a difference the very rare option of double set makes to a Model 1894 Winchester


The single-set used in the WRA 1873, 1876 and 1886, and the double-set used in the 1892 and 1894 make a nice difference.


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Thing about the double set is you handle the gun without setting then set it when you have everything ready to go, much less chance of Accidental discharge


Yes!
I watched an off-hand shooter set the double-sets before fully mounting his rifle one time.
He accidently fired the rifle and the recoil from the discharge drove the sharp upper spur of the crescent steel buttplate into the meat of his shoulder. He wasn't using light loads either.
He was howling and performing one of the funniest jigs I'd seen in a long time.
I suspect he learned an important lesson.

  

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Re: Double set triggers
Reply #20 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 10:51pm
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I just returned from the range today, I , as usual took my all time favorite, System Konkurrenz by Lechner. The rifle fits me to a "t" the DST is set for about 2 oz. I have a Stevens 044 1/2 with DST and a thick side hiwall with DST, neither of these American made rifles triggers come close to the old Lechner. I have several other German & Swiss rifles all with DST. I have decided to leave the 22 rf hiwall alone, as trying to install DST is probably beyond my abilities. I am aware that DST increase lock time, but feel it would only affect those few offhand shooters who are at the very top of our sport. I shoot for the enjoyment of it and only compete with myself, improving my offhand is a personal goal. Thanks for all of the thoughts on teiggers.
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Reply #21 - Sep 23rd, 2013 at 12:59am
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"I just returned from the range today, I , as usual took my all time favorite, System Konkurrenz by Lechner "

Wow nice rifle!

What age and Caliber ?
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 23rd, 2013 at 8:14am
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Double sets are just like any other control you have to learn to use it. When I pull my LC Smith out for some SxS clays after using the Beretta O/U most of the year always forget to take the safety off first few rounds. I takes me some time to get adjusted to a new gun that has not been used for some time

Operator error is not a good reason to avoid DST's

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Reply #23 - Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:06pm
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The Lechner is 8.15x46R, I shoot an NEI 165gr stop ring (at 25 to 1 it casts about 175gr) and 12.6 gr of old IMR 4227, with a Remington small pistol primer. I just bought a Crony so when I get time to work up a charge my 12.6 gr may change. DST seem safer in all regards than a light pull std trigger, you don't set the trigger until the gun is mounted at the shoulder. I hunt Ks whitetail with a 8.15x46R stalking rifle With DST, I use fixed ammo with a 185gr gas check.
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Re: Double set triggers
Reply #24 - Sep 23rd, 2013 at 2:24pm
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You are right about the sets, they don't go off until you set them. All the mount and get into position is done before you set the trigger, It's the last step sort of like taking the safety off a shotgun.

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