yamoon wrote on Sep 19^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:


If you didn't care what it looked like, yes.

Other than that, it will take at least a welder and a milling machine.

Look at a drawing of the HW and you'll see that you have to extend the tail on the sear and then install the DST mechanism aft of the std trigger hole.

Frank

I've been shooting German rifles with DST for many years. If it doesn't have a hooked butt plate & DST, it just feels wrong. I converted a HiWall musket to a standard HiWall several years ago. It has a Douglas half round 26" barrel & is the only 22RF I have that is near a target rifle. My wife gave me a membership to an indoor range & I want to shoot a 22 this winter to improve my off hand. I have a 32-40 HiWall that Paul Shuttleworth installed DST in about 25 yrs ago, so I wanted to do the same to this rifle. The 32-40 is a flat spring action.
Mike

Yamoon,
I did the same thing a few years back that you are contemplating today. First, I bought a castings kit from Boulder River Foundry but realized it was more than I could handle. Frank is correct that you need machine skills to get the job done.  I then went to Ballard Arms while they were still doing business in Cody and bought the parts needed.  This set me back about $620 which is not cheap but they were well made and pretty much dropped right in.  The tang and lever took a few hours of file work and polishing. I had Classic Guns in Illinois color case everything but the triggers and internals as they were already finished.
I can see that DWS is not real high on DST,  but I am certainly glad that I did mine that way as practicing in the winter has definately improved my offhand scores. I have my 45-70 set up the same way except for a lazy S lever instead of the Helm. For me, it's a lot easier to let off a shot by just touching a trigger lightly than pulling on a heavier trigger. I figure if all those HW Schuetzen rifles were set up that way over a hundred years ago, somebody must have been doing something right.
If you want to go that way, Steve Baldwin can do your hammer and Wyoming Armory should have the parts.  Don't forget the long tailed sear.  Good luck.  Bob

Nothing like a good double set trigger. In fact the Trigger is make or break for me when picking a rifle. Germans are good that's sure. Good American Double set is just as good.  Bad trigger of any kind is not worth owning

Boats

I have two double set schuetzen actions sitting in my action cabinet, and have never liked double sets enough to build anything on them.  I've built 4 standard trigger high walls for myself and my wife and son while I've owned these actions, and passed them up every time for the standard.  However, they are not for sale, keep thinking I might change my mind someday.  I have two double set stevens, a double set ballard, and several single set winchesters.  The ballard is the only one I use set, I use the others as standard triggers, ignoring the set triggers.   

To each, their own preference, I guess.   

My first preference in triggers is my anschutz airgun, and my anschutz .22.  Around 2 oz and zero perceptible movement for a standard trigger.

Next favorite is my rolling block, with about 8 oz and standard trigger.  Essentially no perceptible movement before breaking, and it breaks clean and completely.  The rifle that has the reputation for a bad trigger has the best of my rifles.

One of my problems with a double set is I can't remember which trigger does what.  I've shot at least a couple of thousand rounds through my ballard double set, and I can't tell you sitting here typing which trigger fires it, and which sets.  I have to trial and error it at the bench every session.   

I just got a ballard action and a target grade barrel that meets my approval when I slug it, so might make a standard trigger ballard up to replace the double set.   

On your question on the triggers being drop in:  They are not.  Takes some knowledge and tuning to make them work.  Probably will work with only hand tools as long as you get well made parts, but will require hand work and skill to get them balanced and working right.  I've had some real head scratching sessions trying to mix and match high wall parts and get them to play well together.  The double sets are even harder, have to tune the springs to the right forces, after you get the parts to work together.

dave

Think it was J. D. Steele who claimed you would always shoot better scores with a standard trigger and he had considerable experience. Still like sets.
Chuck

DST triggers are slower in lock time, even if used in a striker action. The fastest lock times out there, belong to Hoch, Miller and Borchardt, none of which have original DST and all would have slower lock times if used with one.

That said, you can't do well w/o a light trigger (2 - 16 oz) OH and I can't shoot of the bench with 6# trigger, I pull the rifle off trying to pull the trigger and have to fight it. I love my DST on my rifles that have them and wouldn't shoot BR or OH w/o using them. I know when the trigger will break and that alone helps my confidence (although maybe not my scores ) AND there is nothing better looking than a set of DST triggers on a single shot!

Frank