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Reply #30 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 7:57am
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sent pic to Boats with set up indicator, maybe he can post pics..  any way .005 on older cpa, almost 0 on newer one.  yes theree is a diff in main spring...  what to do, change, eh..
  
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Reply #31 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 1:51pm
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colo native wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 7:57am:
sent pic to Boats with set up indicator, maybe he can post pics..  any way .005 on older cpa, almost 0 on newer one.  yes theree is a diff in main spring...  what to do, change, eh..


Hi,

Thanks for doing the test.  It's very helpful to have that information available.

But, in the interest of full disclosure - and caution:

This thread is so-far, an academic "what if" inquiry into what may be (or may not be) a problem only for those who are trying to squeeze that very last little bit of performance out of 44 1/2 rifles in benchrest competition.

If you're happy with your rifle, don't change anything. 

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Reply #32 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 1:59pm
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frnkeore wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 8:40pm:
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The hammer fell with sufficient force to fully puncture large pistol primers and would leave very deep craters in rifle primers.


I don't think it should punture a primer. It shouldn't extend more than 1/16th inch to do it's job unless the headspace is to much. My Borchardt only extends .050

Frank


Hi Frank,

I didn't think the firing pin should have punctured primers either, but it did puncture primers with the grossly overstiff mainspring installed and it doesn't now that a more reasonable mainspring is in place.  The firing pin  protrusion is approximately .045" - just enough to do the job.

So far, all I can say with certainty regarding this mainspring issue is that the the original mainspring was way out of spec.

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Reply #33 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 2:52pm
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There are a lot of different ideas raised in this thread and I am stll pondering some of them, but would like to offer a few suggestions.

In our rifles older than about 1998 we used "traditional" screws for attaching the lower tang to the frame: threaded about 3/8", then unthreaded for about 1/4" at the same diameter as the thread major, then a head which matched the recess in the frame.  This works fine if the stock fit is good, but if the stock fit is too loose (or so tight the lower tang is being pushed out of position) the tang can be in the wrong position.  We now use screws with a larger shank so the tang cannot move at all. To check if this on your rifle, remove the stock and see if you can squeeze the lower tang up/spread it down.  Even if you are not getting any movement, if you want new-style screws drop me an email and I'll send you some.

The stock fit is always my second suspicion when I see vertical stringing.  Our stock fitters are human and wood is a natural product that can shrink and swell over time.  If you have a through bolt the stock must be glass bedded and best practices require tightening/loosening the through bolt each time you shoot.  If you don't have a through bolt glass bedding is often a good idea and certainly I would do it if you suspect the stock is moving.

If your hammer seems very stiff when you are cocking the rifle, you undoubtendly will be moving the whole rifle and will also be putting extra stress on the mainspring and the firing pin.  Back off the mainspring tension a bit, but you do not need to settle for occasional misfires.  You may need more hammer spring tension for rimfire ignition than you do for centerfire, but I don't bother to lighten it up for centerfire.

My first suspicion when I see vertical stringing is the load, but I'll leave that discussion to those who know more than I do.  This forum is a great resource for that information.

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Reply #34 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:27pm
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This is just another fine example of product support by both Gail and Paul on their CPA rifles--Fritz
  
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Reply #35 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 7:35pm
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Amen Fritz and it might be in regards to an issue that is not actually creating the verticle stringing, as Jack Hughes noted that has yet to be determined.
  

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Reply #36 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:08pm
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Thing that always strikes me about  CPA is they are constantly refining the rifles, small changes always to the good.  I guess fact that both Paul and Gail are active successful competitors makes the difference.

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