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scooby
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chambering ball&williams ballard
Aug 1st, 2013 at 3:46pm
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I am interested in lengthening the chamber on my 2nd model B&W ballard .38 rim fire and converting it to .38 special center fire. is this safe? I am in the process of replacing all the internal parts breech block etc. at this time.
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:30pm
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If it were me I would stay away from the 38 special in that gun, I don't know if the action could handle the pressure. Just my opinion.

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Reply #2 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 7:12am
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jesse:
any suggestions? maybe .38 s&w or 38-40??
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Reply #3 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 9:21am
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Consider the 38 Long Colt, brass is available, even loaded ammo, it is basicly a shortened 38 Special (1.035") and loaded to lower chamber pressures, a correctly chambered rifle would not allow the the 38 Special to fit in the chamber.
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Reply #4 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:00am
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mike:
the .38 spec. brass will fit the chamber except for the last 1/4 in. I was thinking of chambering it to.38 spec. and loading it it back to reduce chamber pressure or trimming the case back and loading to .38 s&w???? your suggestion of .38 long colt sounds even better but I think I would have to have the chamber lengthened. am I correct?
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Reply #5 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:09am
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No need to re-chamber, just shorten .38 Special brass to fit and use heal based bullets .375 dia. You can have a custom mold made or buy ready cast heal based bullets from Alpha Bravo Mfg. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

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Reply #6 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:38am
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Yeah, I just read a story about a woman injured at Quigley from an exploding Ballard.

If you just want it to go bang, try this:

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Whatever you d, stick to BP and be careful!
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 1:25pm
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jesse:
any suggestions? maybe .38 s&w or 38-40??
bob


Bob,
38-40 would not work since it is actually a 40 cal bullet. As suggested a 38 long Colt would be fine. If you intend on using the original barrel,you may want to slug the bore so you can determine what the dimensions are.
Unfortunately just because a caliber is called a 38...... doesn't mean that's the actual bullet diameter. For example a 38spl uses a. 357 bullet and a 38-40 uses a. 401 bullet.

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Reply #8 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 2:39pm
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thanx for all the info. I guess  its going to be the .38 long colt.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 6:15pm
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I'd urge you to keep the chambering close to original. Although we're all smart folks, a rechambered gun may get into Harlow's hands and be loaded with a modern round. I shoot quite a few RF guns using CF cases with a .22 RF chamber cut into them, using an emptied .22 case as a primer, much like the Dixie adapters. The advantage of making your own is that you can come up with case dimensions that fit your chamber using the bullet you choose, and get a nice enough fit for pretty good accuracy if the barrel is in good shape. By shooting a case close to the original the gun retains authenticity and Harlow will be frustrated when he tries to stuff a .38 Special +P round into the chamber. Then when the gun goes to the next owner, along with the modified cases, instructions, mould, etc., he or she will hopefully treat her with a little care and respect, as befitting her age, and she'll still perform well, within her modest pressure limits. There are limits to intelligence, but there are no limits to stupidity.
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 6:34pm
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I seem to recall from my reading that Marlin offered Ballards with cast or forged receivers but all the breechblocks they used were machined forgings.  The earlier Ballards had both cast receivers and cast breechblocks.

I would be very leery about shooting one of these early Ballards.  I have a Ball & Williams in some kind of .44 Rim Fire which has cracks beginning at the corners of the block mortice on the receiver.  This, presumably, caused by the ammunition the gun was originally chambered for, as it still has the rimfire breechblock and the chamber looks unmodified.  Too bad; the barrel is still shootable and I was hoping to cobble up one of those inserts that fires .22 blanks on the rim and try the thing out.  When the cracks showed after a cleanup, I tabled the idea for "further consideration."
  
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