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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7728 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Barrels Reply #30 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 6:34am	Print Post
	4000 rounds is about the expected life of a 308 barrel, particularly if used with boat tail bullets. Silhouette shooters used to change 308/7mm08 before 4000 no matter who made the barrel. Now that most serious HP Silhouette is shot with smaller calibers expected life is even less. I have a Douglas 38/55 with well over 12,000 rounds and no erosion of the throat. Apples and Oranges can't be compared Barrels are very subject to fads and fan mail. Lot of the names made it in high power applications, am sure they are good if shooting a bolt or AR based small bore high velocity fast twist gun. Shooting cast bullets with what's available today, qualify available as send a check get a barrel, list is pretty short, Green Mt, Douglas, RKS. Boats


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Barrels Reply #31 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 7:48am	Print Post
	There is no reason that a button rifled barrel can’t shoot as well or better than a cut-rifled barrel. We prefer cut rifled barrels, I think, because of tradition and the level of craftsmanship that it takes to make one. All barrel makers today are able to turn out a hummer and a few duds. Why is different given the difference between the two processes. It is my belief, all other factors being equal, that the straightness of the bore is what makes the difference. 40 Rod


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2942 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Barrels Reply #32 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 9:13am	Print Post
	In the most recent ASSRA Journal in Chris's "Letters from Charlie II" first letter is not very flattering to Douglas barrels. As stated above, even the best will make a dud or few every year. Good barrels are better than they have ever been, but no one is perfect. Will 'disagree' (mildly, mind you) about cut-rifled vs. button rifled, depending on the application. In BP and our soft-lead bullets, probably no difference. However, most all the winners in high power use cut-rifled barrels (Bartlein, Brux, Krieger, etc.) in my totally unscientific polling.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12355 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Barrels Reply #33 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 10:04am	Print Post
	Watched two people shoot very nice targets at 200 with 38/55s. One was a Joe Williams barrel, the other a Norman Johnson barrel. Have been testing a .45 picket rifle with a Norman Johnson barrel. Tack driver. Joe.
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	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Barrels Reply #34 - Jul 11^th, 2013 at 6:16pm	Print Post
	Boats couldn't argree more on accurate barrel life with Jacketed bullets pushed fast. One of our club members is a top F Class competitor. Around 600 rounds he sets the barrel back and rechambers, another 600 and it comes off and goes up for sale and a new one goes on. He also does all of his own work. 40Rod I could not agree more, the precision creating the hole and the additional work done inside the hole is what makes for a good shooting barrel.

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1309 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Barrels Reply #35 - Jul 18^th, 2013 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	Never saw a Douglas with a 1/2 MOA advantage over anyone else's barrel especially with M118 of any variation. Several sniper instructors (mil and LE) I have know over the years have tried a Douglas and since gone elsewhere with their business. IIRC the Army required the M24's to maintain 1.5MOA out to 12k rds during final acceptance testing. When they quit using Rock barrels because of slow delivery circa 1990 and started making 5R profiles on a hammer forge Remington again had to pass the 12K test. Sure, Douglas may go 4K within 1 MOA but with the cost of rebarreling hardly worth the work and definitely not for law enforcement guys that often buy and maintain their own gear. IMHO the real test of a rifleman is taking him to unknown terrain, placing a target at an unknown distance and giving him a single round to make the shot within 1 minute or arrival. No rangefinders, windmeasuring devices. Small groups are interesting but field application is for me the greatest measure of marksmanship skill... SS

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1021 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Barrels Reply #36 - Jul 18^th, 2013 at 1:52pm	Print Post
	There are no magic barrels, I've noticed at the last several matches at Etna Green, the best five or six shooters will be shooting barrels of five or six different barrel makers. There like wine,women, and song everyone will have their favorite. ledball


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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1309 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Barrels Reply #37 - Jul 18^th, 2013 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	When it comes to booze and women, no better thought than go ugly early SS

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1827 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Barrels Reply #38 - Jul 18^th, 2013 at 4:03pm	Print Post
	Isbtcm, check your PM's.


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7728 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Barrels Reply #39 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 11:07am	Print Post
	Leadball's got it right, long as it's not bad all the top brands are good enough. Boats


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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1145 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Barrels Reply #40 - Jul 19^th, 2013 at 8:53pm	Print Post
	Don't forget the old adage "Great barrels are found, not made"


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lsbtcm Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Franklin Joined: Aug 2^nd, 2006	Re: Barrels Reply #41 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 9:32pm	Print Post
	Sorry guys, I got a little busy with other stuff. but finally got back to this forum. Still no answer from Ernie, I just got a couple of notices of barrels I need to check out, hopefully both are new and not used.


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iomskp Junior Member Offline Posts: 55 Location: Cairns Joined: Feb 20^th, 2008	Re: Barrels Reply #42 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 4:22pm	Print Post
	As of a couple of weeks ago Ernie was working in Texas helping a company tool up to build semi auto rifles of some sort.


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lsbtcm Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Franklin Joined: Aug 2^nd, 2006	Re: Barrels Reply #43 - Jul 31^st, 2013 at 10:02pm	Print Post
	I got a barrel that looks and gauges good, will give it a try. This has caused so very good discussion, just had to read every one of the replies. Thanks, Tom


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lsbtcm Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Franklin Joined: Aug 2^nd, 2006	Re: Barrels Reply #44 - Jul 31^st, 2013 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	Speaking of the hardness of different barrels, I just checked some of the cut ends of some Badger and Green Mtn. barrels. The Badgers were 22 to 26 Rc, and GM 34 to 36 Rc. and yes you can tell the difference when you are cutting on them.


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