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Reply #15 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:03pm
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John same here I have probably used a dozen  Douglas barrels between Single shots and High power Silhouette rifles. Douglas 38 barrel is the one to beat our club matches 3 or 4 of us are using them, Match winner results far higher than any other brand. 

I did some pretty extensive rimfire testing when buying a case of ammo few years ago. Pair of top notch Anschutz Position and Silhouette rifles. Kimber Factory barreled Rifle. Springfield 1922 M2 and two Douglas barreled CPA's  All the same ammo RWS R 50. Only rifle that would shoot with the Douglas / CPA's was the Anschutz Super Match 54. So close it was impossible to tell the groups apart if not labeled.  Reservation, the M2 Springfield was Iron sighted and could not see it's true potential. Straight from the factory not much shooting today that can run with Anschutz which is a pretty good endorsement for Douglas/CPA

No doubt the RKS guys have done very well in Western matches too.  Never saw one on the East Coast, probably ought to try one see if I can break out of the pack.

High power shooters use a lot of the newer names with good results. I don't know much about them and not sure it has any relationship to Cast bullet single shot shooting. If you can get one go for it.

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Reply #16 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 10:55pm
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Boats competed against several RKS Barrels and I have never seen that had an edge. I have one in my safe chambered in 33RKS Schuetzen and it might just be the cartridge but the Douglas seems to shoots better. The best one to date was a Ken Bresien barrel in 33-47.
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 9th, 2013 at 8:49am
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I machine on barrels almost every week day. I have noticed that Douglas barrels seem to be a little harder than most other brands. The heat treat on most rifle barrel runs from 28C to 32C for hardness and one company told me they were trying for 28C. I believe Douglas is probably closer to the 32C. Most of the barrels I use are GM or McGowen but sometimes the customer will send his own barrel. I have had a few come in that appear to have very little heat treat. Muzzle loading barrels are usually out of something a little softer like 12L14 or 1137 and I sometimes use 4150 annealed for making BP cartridge barrels because it machines good and is still much stronger than an original barrel.
  

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Reply #18 - Jul 9th, 2013 at 10:20am
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John,
Good information and thanks for the confirmation. Recently did a barrel using annealed 4140 that seems to work. First blank had a hard spot about a foot down that I could not drill through. Second blank drilled just fine.
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Reply #19 - Jul 9th, 2013 at 11:01am
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boats wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:03pm:
No doubt the RKS guys have done very well in Western matches too.  Never saw one on the East Coast, probably ought to try one see if I can break out of the pack.
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Once you get your 40-65 CPA rolling and start shooting some of the BPCR matches you will find any number of RKS barrels here in the east. Some on CPA rifles shooting in the master/AAA classes.
  

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Reply #20 - Jul 9th, 2013 at 11:47am
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I agree with Mr. Taylor that Douglas barrels always seem to be more difficult to machine than most of the others. I've got some older machines with limited horsepower and those Douglas barrels slow me down but they finish up nicely.
  
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Reply #21 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 4:47pm
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In 1988 I and another gunsmith at the Special Warfare Ccenter at Ft. Bragg installed 13 Douglas XX SS 30 caliber barrels on some vintage VN era M40 actions chambered for 7.62 NATO. These barrels replaced McMillan barrels that went more than 12k rds and were still shooting 1.5moa. We had a fear the McMillans (MM) would die in the middle of a course so new Douglas tubes were acquired. Unlike the MM's the Douglas tubes required a longer break-in but were soon shooting within 1moa. That lasted for about 5-6K then the groups starting growing significantly. They would shoot perhaps 5rds tightly but once the barrel was fouled they quit grouping. We cut one open and discovered the leade to be about 6 inches long!!! Fortunately the Army fielded the first M24's in October 1988 and we were the first to receive them.

When I was a kid my dad once took an old barrel and drove it in the ground to tie a goat to. Since my experience with Douglas at Ft. Bragg the only use I can think for their barrels would be as goat stakes but I don't really have an opinion on their barrels Wink

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Reply #22 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 7:41pm
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SchwartzStock you need to be more clear on the 6 inch leade, you cut it short there and lost me.
  

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Reply #23 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 8:02pm
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Throat erosion,   Louis.

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Reply #24 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 8:20pm
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Let's see.  It's now 2013.  That means 1988 was thirty-five years ago.  Somehow I don't see that what Douglas barrels were like then has a whole lot of relevance to what they're like now.  Just sayin' . . .  Wink
  
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Reply #25 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 8:37pm
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Current Douglas .32 rifling profile is different than 70's 80's early 90's profiles. The lands are narrower. Current Douglas barrels shoot lead bullets better over a wider temperature range than their earlier barrels.  Excellent barrels now.

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Reply #26 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 8:37pm
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You do math different than I do.
  
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Reply #27 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 8:43pm
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Maybe age added 10yrs  Cry Embarrassed
  
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Reply #28 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 9:10pm
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The Douglas had a 1/2 minute accuracy edge but shorter barrel life, give me the Douglas there barrel was one up on M.M.'s. There is no reason a M40 sniper rifle should be pushed to 12,000 rounds. Take that 1/2 minute accuracy edge out to 1000 meters and plus and which one would be more suited for the one shot kill. Both barrel makers drill, ream and rifle their barrel stock purchased from an outside source with neither having total control on what they receive, including an inferior barch. Sounds like it was metal issue not the barrels makers lack of high standards and with Douglas having the 1/2 inch minute accuracy edge who actually produced the best shooting barrel. Consistency in narrel steel from lot to lot was an on going problem by some producers. Typically today from what I have read is several barrel makers now do pool buys from the best producer. It was also not stated what barrel steel MM supplied, SS or CM.
  

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Reply #29 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 9:47pm
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Yanno, since I retired I can neither cownt nor spel . . .  Embarrassed
  
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