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Zack T Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 354 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2010	Rolling Block Midrange Rifle Nov 4^th, 2012 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	Howdy All, Have put up a couple pics of this rifle in the past but had a couple more poor quality cell phone pics to share. It is an interesting rifle in that there are no serial numbers on any of the metal parts. Nothin on the receiver, barrel, forend tip or buttplate. There are assembly numbers on the upper and lower tang but that is it. There are no patent dates on the left side of the receiver either and I looked really close with loupes. The barrel has the usual E. Remington stamp on the top flat. The barrel is marked 40-70 on the bottom flat in front of the forend and under the forend the barrel is marked ST though the rifle has a plain trigger. The block is drilled for a fly and it looks like there may have been a fly in at some point. It has a 28" barrel and bore that is about 27 3/4 inches perfect and about 1/4" at the muzzle terrible though the gun seems to want to shoot with the minimal load development I have done. The gun has a lotof honest wear but retains some case, blue and a lot of stock varnish (looks like english walnut with original varnish). Was wondering if anyone had seen a rifle like this before ? No serial numbers or patent dates and I cant tell if this was originally a midrange target or a sporting rifle that someone later put a plain trigger back into. Thanks, Zack T


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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2238 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Rolling Block Midrange Rifle Reply #1 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:38am	Print Post
	That is a very nice rifle. Don't know much about it, but understand there were some competition rule changes about the period of this rifle which required a single fixed trigger (3# IIRC). Might explain the change. Chuck


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11526 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Rolling Block Midrange Rifle Reply #2 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:52pm	Print Post
	Nice rifle Zack! Thank you for posting the pictures. Looks and sounds like an original mid range Remington Rolling block. Missing numbers? A custom made target rifle for a high ranking competitor? I have a Rem #1 action cut for a fly but has a plain trigger. Dont think there's a fly in it, would have to look. A fly will stop the trigger sear from catching the half cock when using a very light plain trigger. It was an option on Win 73s and 76s with plain triggers. I want it, reeeeal bad! Joe.
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Zack T Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 354 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2010	Re: Rolling Block Midrange Rifle Reply #3 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:27pm	Print Post
	Took the old 40-70sbn midrange out today. It seems like it wants to shoot but cant seem to get things to come together. Have tried the Saeco and Paul Jones Bullets shown as well as a 300gr CSA bullet. The bore is perfect except for a ring of heavy rust the last 1/2" of the muzzle. You can barely feel it with a tight fitting patch but think I may need to back bore beyond this area in the muzzle.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16295 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Rolling Block Midrange Rifle Reply #4 - Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 12:33am	Print Post
	There were a number of #1 Midrange Target rifles made with single triggers. Many examples in Roy Marcott's book on Sporting and Target Rolling Blocks.

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Zack T Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 354 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2010	Re: Rolling Block Midrange Rifle Reply #5 - Nov 24^th, 2012 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	Thanks all for the comments. Marlinguy- my confusion with this gun is that the underside of the barrel is marked "st" for set trigger and the block looks like it had a fly in it at one time but bears a plain trigger now. I cant figure out if this is a sporting rifle with a set trigger that had a plain trigger put on it or if it is a midrange target which I thought per rules of the day should have a plain trigger. Guess it doesnt matter. Either Remington fitted a plain trigger to a rifle that originally had a single set to fill a special order or it was changed during the period of use. This is my first rifle in 40-70sbn. Am enjoying it a lot. Havent really experienced the negatives that I had read about it ie hard fouling forward of the chamber. Thanks and best, Zack


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16295 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Rolling Block Midrange Rifle Reply #6 - Nov 24^th, 2012 at 6:56pm	Print Post
	Might be the barrel was swapped at a later date from a gun that had set triggers.

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MartiniBelgian Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1687 Location: Aarschot Joined: Jun 7^th, 2004	Re: Rolling Block Midrange Rifle Reply #7 - Nov 25^th, 2012 at 10:13am	Print Post
	I've been shooting BN cartridges for quite a few years now - when using a bullet heavy enough and a decent BP lube, there won't be absolutely no trace of any powder ring anywhere - a bit of internet lore that got maimed, made absolute and propagated throughout the times... In fact, my BN BP rifles have been among the easiest to get to shoot well.


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