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Peabody .43 Spanish hammer
Nov 18th, 2012 at 9:14pm
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Trying to obtain a Peabody .43 Spanish hammer. I've tried S&S, Dixie, Numrich, even the new Providence Tool Co., withnot luck in finding one.  Perhaps someone out there has one that's available?  Or someone knows of a hidden secret source!!??  OR if not a .43 Spanish hammer, a hammer from a different Peabody model, which are wider on the nose of the hammer that strikes the firing pin, would be acceptable. thank you, outsidebear
  
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Re: Peabody .43 Spanish hammer
Reply #1 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 8:58am
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I may have one here soon, as my Peabody is being fitted with a Fruend Sharps hammer. If you can wait a month or two I willl let you know. Or you can try fitting a Sharps hammer to it and grinding the hammer tip to fit.
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Reply #2 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 11:15am
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I can't help you with the hammer --- BUT-- What do you know of the .43 "Spanish" Peabody?   Last summer I picked up a Spanish Model that had been cut down for $290.  Bore is decent.  My information on the "Spanish" round is that these would be more like the Spanish Refermado (.451 groove dia) round than the later Argentine one (.439 groove dia).   This rifle has a groove diameter of .446.  Fired cases look much like the Refermado round.  Looks to me as if the ".433 Peabody" is midway between the 2 Spanish rounds.  I have been using the Spanish refermado brass and .43 Spanish dies (.439 bullet type) with a .446 bullet.  Results are promising, but I'm in a bit of a quandry as to the proper dies.  Have you slugged your bore and made a chamber cast, or are you not planning to shoot yours?   

I'm sure that Providence Tool can supply you with a hammer.  I think Frank had some knee surgery a month or so ago so he may still be out of commission.

George

  
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Re: Peabody .43 Spanish hammer
Reply #3 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 5:52pm
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I have a suspicion that the New England manufacturers shared component sources. I would not be surprised if a Spencer hammer is interchangeable with the Peabody. The mainsprings certainly are. Back when Hector was a pup (say over 50 years ago) I had 2 of the Peabodys in 43 Spanish. I shot them with original brass and decapped the Berdan primers with an icepick and seated the primers in a vise. One of them with its bayonet got away somewhere along the way and the other one I modified to look like a Peabody Sporter when I was in college. A few years ago I had this one rebarreled to 38 Special and I shoot cowboy silhouette with it. I saved the barrel. The chamber on the Peabody, while generous, was nothing like the Reformado. It would shoot Lyman 439186 at .439 but preferred Lyman 446110 HP at .446 with 28 grains of SR4759 for about 4 inches groups at 100 yards. At one time I also had a 43 Spanish rolling block rifle that would shoot 439186 with 11 grains of Unique to about 4.5 inches. A Spanish made rolling block carbine would shoot 439186 (in cases made from 348 Win brass) with 28 grains of 3031 to about 5 inches. A beautiful 1879 Remington Argentine rolling block required a custom made mould that dropped heavier .441 bullets for its odd throat but would shoot under 3 inches with 26 grains of SR4759.
  
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Re: Peabody .43 Spanish hammer
Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 6:03pm
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Call frank at providence tool he is up and around just a bit slower with the new parts in the hip
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 9:34pm
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George: afraid not of much help with loading the .43, as sold the one I had 4 years ago - was talked outa it before got to loading for it - never did fire it.
oneatatime:  I'm sure usage of certain parts was done by more than one manufacturer, ie: hammers, barrel bands, springs, etc.
sportslube: had emailed P.T.Co., seems there was something lost in the translation on their end.  I need to call n' talk with 'em directly, will be clearer that way. Still looking for a .43 hammer though.
thank you one n' all.  I'm brand new to the Forum, and you're extension of info n' assistance is greatly appreciated.
My pictures are bigger than 500KB, not sure how to shrink 'em?
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 9:45pm
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Thanks Oneatatime,

I've slugged the bore and the grooves .446.  The chamber is/was a bit buggered up.  I'm getting 3" groups at 60 yards (sitting) using 73 grains of FFg Gowx.  Only bought 5 cases to start with.  Using the 340 grain 11 mm Mouser bullet from BACO.  Just bought the .446 RCBS 370 grain mouls and some more brass.  Not going to mess with smokeless.  Did try some duplex loads and they were pretty wild.  Next batch will be with Fg to see if that is better or worse.   I bought this rifle mainly for the action, but when I cleaned the bore it looked pretty good so I decided to see if I could get it to shoot.

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Re: Peabody .43 Spanish hammer
Reply #7 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 10:24pm
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Here's a picture of the converted .50-70 carbine. Yes, it has been re-case colored and refinished, but for wanting a shooter n' one to take into the field, that works for me!  Haven't shot it yet, that will come about in a month or so?  Also enclosing picture of an original Peabody Sporting Rifle (Short Range Rifle) in .45-50 that will put 3 shots into 2.5" @ 100 yards with a custom 315 gr cast bullet.  Years ago someone installed a Winchester tang sight, though I seldom use it, preferring the barrel sight.
  
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Re: Peabody .43 Spanish hammer
Reply #8 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 12:28am
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Your commercial Peabody is the real deal. Easy to tell by the graceful stock lines, thinner at the wrist and that nice butt plate. I have been wanting to make a copy of that plate for my rifle that I'm rebuilding.
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Re: Peabody .43 Spanish hammer
Reply #9 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 12:56am
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Mike, when I turned my military into a sporter look alike I used a Savage buttplate that looks just like that original. Savage 35 sticks in my mind but it may be from an old 99.
George, since the 43 Spanish is very close to the 44-77 Creedmoor, if you are using that little of Goex in it you must not be compressing it much. The 1879 Remington I had (which had a beautiful tight chamber) shot well with 84 grains of 1.5 Swiss and that was with essentially no compression. I have found Swiss needs none or much less compression than Goex to work well.
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 6:55am
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Both of those Peabody's are jewels!  I've not seen that type tang sight before.  I also have a Peabody sporter in 45 Sporting.  It's the one that's pictured in the Roberts Single Shot book.  In the book, it's pictured with a Remington tang sight mounted on the wrist,  removed prior to my purchasing it 30 years ago.  I'd be interested in some close-up pics of the tang sight if you could provide, as well as a measurement of the hole spacing for the screws.  Which model Winchester was that sight originally for? It really has the look of a Providence product, like it belongs on the gun!
  

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Re: Peabody .43 Spanish hammer
Reply #11 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:56am
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This sight is shown in Stroble's book, under Winchester sights.  I'll get the distance between the two mounting screws and post asap. Not sure what Winchester rifle is was originally intended for (I don't have Stroble's book) and don't remember if it said?
Will get bettr pics of the sight and butt plate, though it might be next week before can accomplish this?
Glad to share any information with others, not a problem.
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:58am
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gosh, didn't mean to make such large pictures, I'm new to sizing n' posting pictures.  I don't mean to hog space in the Forum here!
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 11:00am
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I love that carbine!!  Mine doesn't look brand new like that, but it is an original 50-70.  I looked at the picture first and thought, "that's a long trought" on the block, then read it was a conversion which explained that.  My original has the short trougth.  Also, in addition to the saddle ring, it has a butt swivel, and a swivel on the band.  All the numbers match.  I have never tried to post a picture and am not very computer literate.

As for the .433 Peabody (Spanish).  I've tried "hotter" loads but the groups opened up.  Presently my 5 cases have 77 grains of Fg in them.  Tat is with the 340 grain bullet.  With FFg both magnum primers and duplexing really opened up the groups.  I do have some 1 1/2 Swiss and can try that too.  I need to cast some of the 370 grain bullets as that will be the slug I want to use.

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Re: Peabody .43 Spanish hammer
Reply #14 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 3:47pm
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OK, Re: tang sight.

the only illustration of a Winchester sight that comes close is on page 9 of the 1875 Winchester catalog.  It is the earliest form of tang sight ("peep sight") for the Winchester 1873.  If you mount the base backwards and reverse the staff so the retainer spring bears in reverse, it's pretty close to a match.  Checking later Winchester catalogs up to through1916, I can't find it anywhere.  The 1873 tang sight was changed to the more familiar "spoon" type by the 1891 catalog.  A similar (identical??) woodcut to the original 1873 sight shows in the Whitney catalog of 1878, per Gerald Kelver's book.   

I wonder if it was original equipment to the gun, provided by Providence Tool??  I wouldn't be surprised...   VERY interesting!!!
  

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