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Remington Rolling Block 40-65
Feb 3rd, 2012 at 6:03pm
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I am a new guy starting Schuetzen match, my "pre" starter rifle is a Rem Roller 40-65 cal. I am looking for advise for breech seating, case prep and loading information...at present I'm using 400grn Lyman 410663 cast bullets with 20grn's of IMR 4227 powder...I fully understand this rifle will introduce me to the sport with another rifle to follow...and again will be looking for advise for that adventure...Thanks
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:17am
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Let me refine my questions: what technique do you use for breech seating bullets in a Remington Rolling Block...also to what depth should bullets be seated into the lands...I understand each barrel is different but looking for a starting point...thanks for a great forum...
  
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Re: Remington Rolling Block 40-65
Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 12:53pm
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Welcome to the insanity.  In your case, if you have a load that shoots well for what you've been doing, start there.  Breech seating in a Roller would be difficult to do unless you've got a long throat and a push type seater.  I would recommend staying with fixed ammo and refine your load to give as little vertical dispersion as you can at 200 yards.  Experiment with bullet alloy and lube, perhaps with powders and primers.  You'll probably find that the big boomer is uncomfortable to shoot from the bench for more than a few shots...but try it anyhoo...if the bug bites you, you'll be able to buy or build a rifle with the benefit of some experience!

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Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:56pm
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If I had to shoot Schuetzen with 40/65 rolling block, I'm assuming you mean from the standing position, I would use a very light bullet of about 275-300 grains loaded fixed. 

For the BR portions of our sport I would use a 400 grain soft, 30-1 40-1 tapered bullet. It can be breech seated with Ideal style breech seater, if you're real knarly.  Huh  Mechanical breech seaters can also be made for a rolling block rifles. 

The 40/65 is one heck of a BR number when the best load is found. Your load shoots excellent in both of my 40/65s. Hard bullets shoot more accurate than the soft so a mechanical seater would be necessary 

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Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 2:05pm
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A good starting point is to push the bullet in until the lands go half way into the base band.   

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Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 3:26pm
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Thanks for the sound advise...my plan is to shoot this rifle from the bench only...when the next rifle comes I plan to shoot both BR and OH...for breech seating at the bench what bullet can be recommended...thanks again for the reply's
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 3:33pm
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For BSing, I would recomend the Lyman 410678, it's a tapered bullet and will center it's self better and BS easier. 

You have to find out your groove diameter before you start shooting. The base band of the bullet has to be .001 - .003 larger than the groove for best accuracy w/o gas cutting.

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Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 3:34pm
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Can anyone steer me to a mechnical breech seater for my Roller...todate I have used a homemade plunger type seater...with advise to seat the bullet to the mid-point of the base band a rawhide mallet may be required...which may be ok ?
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 3:52pm
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Using a mallet will work just find and going to the middle of the base band is a good starting place if the base band is about 1/8" or less wide.

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Re: Remington Rolling Block 40-65
Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:56pm
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I just hate beating on guns and any gun related stuff.  Sad

If you want to breech seat hard bullets like 20-1 18-1, best have someone make you a Schoyen style breech seater.  A stud must be attached to the rifle somewhere for the seater to work.  I tried to find a picture of one on the net with not luck. I have one out in the shop. Guess I could take a picture of it and post it.  Let me know if you want me to. 

First I'd try out a hand push seater and a bunch of bullets before I'd settle on a mechanical seater.  Some of my most accurate rifles you can seat a bullet with a wood dowel in a case. 

Groove diameter bullets can shoot very accurate with the correct bullet hardness. 

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Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:27am
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If you want a anchor for the breech seater and the barrel isn't orginal, mount a scope block on the barrel and use that, I wouldn't drill a good action for a stud.

I still beat on bullets for a couple of my guns and have done that since '85. I've never even reduced the rim thickness of a breech seater case. Though I've never tried using a splitting maul for that purpose. I try to pack light   Smiley

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Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:47am
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He's got a roller BP.   


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Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:51am
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frnkeore wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:27am:
If you want a anchor for the breech seater and the barrel isn't orginal, mount a scope block on the barrel and use that, I wouldn't drill a good action for a stud.

I still beat on bullets for a couple of my guns and have done that since '85. I've never even reduced the rim thickness of a breech seater case. Though I've never tried using a splitting maul for that purpose. I try to pack light   Smiley

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If it's an old military action or a reproduction I'd put a stud right in the side of the action just like they did in the old days.  If it was good enough for George Schoyen it's good enough for me. 

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Re: Remington Rolling Block 40-65
Reply #13 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 8:21am
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Since no one else has mentioned it I will remind everyone that a portion of the rim of the seater case may need to be removed with a rolling block when using anything but a plugged case because the extractor does not reset into the barrel with the breech block down like it does on a High wall or Ballard or other single shots. I agree with Joe the way to go with a rebuilt rolling block military or a spaghetti squirter is to put a stud in the side of the receiver and use a Schoyen style seater. I would not do it, however, with a collector grade rifle like a $10,000 Long Range. Smiley
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Re: Remington Rolling Block 40-65
Reply #14 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 4:38pm
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Mine is a Dane Roller rebarreled by John King, Kila Montana who did an outstanding job...I feel for now  to breech seat using a plunge-seater with a rawhide mallet...the advise regarding the extractor is sound, as I have trimmed the rim on the seater case to prevent damage...when I step'up to the replacement rifle it's time to invest in the correct bench equipment...I plan to shoot the coming match in Phoenix and will be eyes and ears open...for now if anyone knows of a Pope style cap/de'capper for sale please advise...thanks for the information and advise...this is an outstanding forum...John
  
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