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Borderman Participating Member Offline ASSRA # 10859 Posts: 29 Location: Southern Indiana Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Is a die set needed if breech seating? Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:00pm	Print Post
	Just ordered a 25-20SS from CPA, first single shot rifle. Jamison brass from Buffalo Arms should arrive today. If only breech seating is used do I really need a set of dies? Expense is not an issue, I just can't see their use other than possibly initial sizing. Maybe just a shell holder to fix/expand necks? Insights would be greatly appreciated.

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Leo1885 Junior Member Offline Posts: 85 Location: Beaverton, OR Joined: Sep 30^th, 2007	Re: Is a die set needed if breech seating? Reply #1 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:02pm	Print Post
	You'll need a decapper die.


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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2247 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: Is a die set needed if breech seating? Reply #2 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:06pm	Print Post
	Depending on the loads you're using, you will infrequently need a sizing die and a neck expanding/belling die. (I use a Lyman M die.) Eventually your brass will expand to the point where it will be difficult to chamber and a trip through the sizer will be a good thing. I size my brass for my 30-20 Ruger #3 about every fifth shot. Lower pressure cartridges may go fifty shots or more before needing sizing. David

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16157 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Is a die set needed if breech seating? Reply #3 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:30pm	Print Post
	Even with a universal decapping tool, and a Lyman M die, I still find the need for a complete die set, especially for new brass or really old brass. You wont regret owning a set, it will get used occasionally.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7282 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Is a die set needed if breech seating? Reply #4 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:48pm	Print Post
	If the brass will chamber when you get it, you'll be able to get by w/o a die, at least until you have a problem cambering them. You will need some way of decapping though. A 310 decapper will work at the bench if you have one. Or you can make a simple hand one out of a piece of 1/4" steel rod and a block with a hole in it. For recapping, I've always used a Lee tool. Whether or not you get dies, you'll need a simple tapered rod that will go into the mouth of the case to expand it back out to seal the neck if low pressure gasses get behind it and start to collapse it. Frank

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11474 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Is a die set needed if breech seating? Reply #5 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:17pm	Print Post
	Been shooting my 25/20 SS for about ten years now. Never have owned a set of dies. The rifle doesn't get shot all that much. The first year a couple thousand or so and maybe a couple hundred a year since. Wouldn't mind having a set of dies though. Might come in handy if I wanted to turn some shells myself. Wouldn't mind having a couple stainless steel cases. The little 25/20 SS cases are rather fragile. Joe.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Is a die set needed if breech seating? Reply #6 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	You be well served to buy a re&de capper either the Schoyen design as made by CPA or the Meacham as sold by buffalo arms. I have been shooting this game for about fourteen years now and I don't own a set of dies and never had a need for a set to date. If you plan on using one case at the line I don't see the need. If you plan on prepping brass in order to have pre-charged cases on the line then they might be useful to uniform all of your cases during the prep process. J.Louis

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Is a die set needed if breech seating? Reply #7 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:58pm	Print Post
	Order the Lee Loader decapper pin, decap chamber and plastic box for the 22/250 from Lee Precision (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Twelve Bucks I use these parts for my 25-20, 220 Swift, 38-55,45-75, 43 Spanish and 45-70/90 at the range. Then you only need one 25-20SS case for breech seating. Pope & Hudson shot that way!


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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: Is a die set needed if breech seating? Reply #8 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 11:17pm	Print Post
	With my 45-120..I don't have regular dies. I used a buffalo Arms inside neck expander at the size of the cast boolets, and I use a buffalo Arms Compression Die inside of an M-2 Lyman Die. and Finger seat the bullets. I use a hand decapper on that one, and also on my 45-70...Both are 1874 Sharps..If I have trouble betting the fireformed brass to chamber, I will then purchase a full length sizing die!.. Terry

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