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Early example of peace due to superior fire power
Feb 20th, 2011 at 12:42am
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Hey guys,
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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 7:33am
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Lewis and Clark expedition had a lot of special purpose equipment. It was as extreme a venture as going to the moon was in the 20th century. On there own in unknown territory. Harper's Ferry Arsenal made up special Rifles for the expedition in 1803 based on the 1792 musket but more of a Pennsylvania design. To my eye it's the ultimate Flintlock rifle.  They had a daily need for food and lived off the land. That air rifle no doubt kept the pot full without using up precious supply of gunpowder.

Lot of old journals are hard to read but the original account of the expedition is a wonderful set of books.  Read it with a good Atlas in hand.

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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 5:38pm
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texasmac wrote on Feb 20th, 2011 at 12:42am:
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Very interesting and informative. Well worth a look. Thanks.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2011 at 12:33am
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Excellent! Interesting. Thanks for posting the link.  The speaker did make one glaring mistake right at the end. He said Potomac  rather than Columbia river.  Otherwise , well done.  I wonder who pumped that baby up? 

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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2011 at 2:29am
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I'm wondering how the 800 psi was achieved. 1500(?) strokes with a tire pump long before anyone had tires makes me curious about the mechanism. 

I realize the Corp of Discovery was a military expedition, but I'm not too sure that some poor private would have been able to devote that much time with a regular hand pump - although considering some of the other things I've seen occur while in the service....     Shocked

  

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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2011 at 12:09pm
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This air rifle is a unique piece of engineering.  As to the question of how it was pumped up. The butt stock, as explained was a removeable piece. Removing the butt stock revealed a kind of "lag screw." protrudiing from the butt stock. This lag screw was pushed and screwed into a convenient tree.  Then you just stood there and rocked back and worth 1,500 times.  Huh  One of the purposes not mentioned in he clip, unless I missed it, was the rifle's "quiet" discharge, for the procurement of small/medium size game. It didn't spook anything or anyone, alerting their location. Anyhow, when he hammer fell, it hit a small lever or button discharging a shot of compressed air. I would love to get my hands on a set of drawings or specs and build one. OOPS,  Roll Eyes can we talk about this, it's a repeater, not a single shot.  I'd make one anyway. A uniq
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2011 at 4:13pm
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Dick, 

Thanks for the info and clarifying the process. 

If you do decide to build one, the magazine tube could be left off to make it a single loader, which should eliminate any objections to normal discussion.  Wink   It definitely is a unique rifle, and would be fun to experiment with.      Smiley

  

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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2011 at 4:15pm
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If I read the Journals right, it was mostly used to wow the Indians.   

  

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Reply #8 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 11:13am
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I ASSUME that folks here are aware of the Quackenbush air rifles.  If not do a google search.  He's an engineer, retired or close to it.  Builds LARGE BORE air guns.  USES them.  Check out the pix on his website.

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Hmmm.  Could one be made in Scheutzen style?

  

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Reply #9 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:16pm
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Hello C_W,

Obviously this man is not the original 'Quackenbush' manufacturer of air rifles. As a boy of 5, I was introduced to shooting using a Quackenbush air rifle that belonged to my grandfather who used it to help feed his family in WW1. I'm 68 now and that rifle is still doing service on a country estate owned by a nephew of mine.

The last time I saw it (30 years or more ago) the blue had turned to plum colour and the varnish was nearly all worn off, but it would still shoot.

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Reply #10 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 6:31pm
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Harry -

I wonder if there is a relationship?

  

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Reply #11 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:05pm
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It says there is a distant relationship.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 12:41am
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Harry
My faded memory thinks it saw a british air rifle possibly a BSA. My brother has been murdering chipmonks in the neighborhood with a modern air rifle. Very acurate and dosent disturb the neighbors
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