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John Boy Ex Member	Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Jan 13^th, 2011 at 12:02pm	Print Post
	Next Wednesday! (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) All I know about it now is: * It's a AYDT 8.15x46R, 32" barrel with diopter, key and foresight that is windage adjustable * Groove 313, proof year unknown * In 'New' Condition. Per the seller, has never been shot since it was made * Bought or 'acquired' at end of WWII by the seller's father in Germany and has been a Safe Queen since that time This is my 1st European rifle and it looks to be a beauty. Have a 316 stop ring mold on order. CH4D dies came and have reformed a hundred 30-30 cases. Have no idea as of yet, whether the cases will drop in or the rims need to be trimmed Next Wednesday can't come quick enough


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4077 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #1 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	Yes She looks like she needs lots of caressing.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #2 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 2:14pm	Print Post
	Thats a nice looking second model Aydt you almost have there John Boy! I hope you dont suffer too much until Wednesday, ha ha . And of course you wont be the one to shoot it the very first time will you? You must keep a stiff upper lip and consider it's value as an unfired collectors item. Heh heh heh. Joe.
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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #3 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 2:52pm	Print Post
	You will probably need to take a few thou off the rim thickness. Try 14grn of 4227. I am envious: you have the diopter sight. It is missing from my Buechel. Fred


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #4 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	Thats a nice looking Buechel Fred! It looks like it might also be an unfired specimen. I want one! Real bad!! Joe.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7332 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #5 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 6:42pm	Print Post
	Joe, Here are two that you might be able to pry out of my cold dead hands. Frank

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #6 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 7:41pm	Print Post
	Holy cow! They're coming out of the wood work!! That one on top looks to be unfired too. I never saw so many nice German rifles. Is it a third model Aydt? How old did you say you were Frank? Joe.

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #7 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 11:02pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the fine looking rifles - real lookers! Since I'm a neophyte to the Aydt system rifle, tried to find some links in the Internet that would educate me. Truthfully, no in depth detail articles but I did find some neat links of interest: * Book ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) * Turn your Google translator on ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) * Here's a pdf sheet to record your diopter settings ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links); Translations: Waffe - Arms Schiessstand - Range Entfernung - Distance Korngrosse - Grain A & B - Record Diopter Settings Besonderes - Special, guess for notes And I did find pictures of various systems, 65 different types of systems made between 1872-1939. Looks like the rifle I bought is a Aydt System II "rotating block closure" of Carl Wilhelm Aydt in Suhl (eg Büchel, Aydt, Kolbe) with Tyrolean checkering for starters (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7332 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #8 - Jan 14^th, 2011 at 1:08am	Print Post
	Joe, Both actions are the same type as Fred's and not Aydt's. They have the breech blocks hinged on the lever and are falling blocks. The upper is a 8.15 with a .316 groove and is all original. I shot it a lot the first 3 years I had it in OH matches. The lower is a 22rf with a barrel by George Titherington (famous 1930's RF barrel maker). 66 year old, Frank PS I think I have at least 20 more years left. I have a uncle that will be 100 in April

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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1020 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #9 - Jan 14^th, 2011 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	My Aydt. Great Offhand rifle. When mounting it to your shoulder, it fits like a glove.

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feuerbixler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 791 Location: Munich / Bavaria Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2010	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #10 - Jan 14^th, 2011 at 3:28pm	Print Post
	Show me your Aydt! Here is mine... ...of course with a diopter-sight! Biggi.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1694 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #11 - Jan 14^th, 2011 at 6:03pm	Print Post
	Beautiful rifles with crisp case coloring. Thanks for posting. I see similar ones every now and then at firearms shows. Some will have the two pieces that look like fingernail clams on the left side of the receiver. Not knowing anything about them and not wanting to look like I don't, I've never asked. What do they do? Are they safeties or disassembly pins or what? Bob


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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2247 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #12 - Jan 14^th, 2011 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	Old-Win wrote on Jan 14^th, 2011 at 6:03pm: Beautiful rifles with crisp case coloring. Thanks for posting. I see similar ones every now and then at firearms shows. Some will have the two pieces that look like fingernail clams on the left side of the receiver. Not knowing anything about them and not wanting to look like I don't, I've never asked. What do they do? Are they safeties or disassembly pins or what? Bob Extractor and lever pin/keeper for the extractor. David

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #13 - Jan 14^th, 2011 at 10:11pm	Print Post
	Boy, if all these quality made rifles could talk ... pins won, targets shot, conversations held and good times at the various Schuetzenfest banquets. BTW, the BACO 316 stop ring mould came. My hat is off to Jim who makes them @ BACO. Can't even see the parting lines and the bases are only 0.001 variance, 315-316


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #14 - Jan 14^th, 2011 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	A little over five days John. Only five days. One 5 day work week and your rifle will be delivered. You must be be in terrible agony. The waiting and waiting. Hopefully you're employed. A job helps to pass the time. Casting bullets will also help. You could probly cast ten or fifteen thousand bullets in a 5 day work week. That is, if you cast night and day. I sure hope they work in your rifle. Can always remelt them. Cant wait to see all your targets once you get it in a little over a week. 5 d a y s. Joe.
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #15 - Jan 15^th, 2011 at 5:27am	Print Post
	What are the cartridges in the first picture John Boy? They sure dont look like 8.15X46Rs. Joe.

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #16 - Jan 15^th, 2011 at 10:16am	Print Post
	Joe, I have no idea what they are. They are the cartridges in the picture that the seller had in the picture that he used to advertise the rifle on the auction site. I doubt that he even had any 8.15x46R loaded rounds because he said the rifle was never shot since it was obtained at the end of WWII


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #17 - Jan 19^th, 2011 at 9:35am	Print Post
	Wake up JohnBoy!! Todays the day! Boy that was a real killer, the waiting and waiting. Joe.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #18 - Jan 19^th, 2011 at 9:46am	Print Post
	The last day is the worst. Will it be here on time? I remember tracking a parcel carried by Fedex. It came from the East coast, Salt Lake City then Portland then Seattle, then Port Angeles, then Portland, then Seattle then back to Port Angeles. I finally called the seller and asked him to contact the shipper. Another three days and I had my parcel. It was only a berry steamer. My God, if it had been a nice Aydt rifle it might have killed me. Yeah, the last day is the worst. Joe.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #19 - Jan 19^th, 2011 at 3:53pm	Print Post
	Do we have a new Aydt yet? I'm die'n over here!! Joe.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #20 - Jan 22^nd, 2011 at 7:19pm	Print Post
	How bout some good news John Boy ? Seems like you've abandoned us here. Joe.

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #21 - Jan 24^th, 2011 at 9:01pm	Print Post
	Quote: How bout some good news John Boy ? Seems like you've abandoned us here. Sorry Joe, thought the post about the diopter covered that it came, anyway ... it came to the FFL on Tuesday, picked it up on Wednesday and was in perfect shape including a soft rifle case. It was wrapped up like a mummy and would have prevented the UPS gorillas from doing any damage. The rifle is complete with the 'normal' diopter, replacement keys and a foresight ramped blade sight. At one time it had a barrel receiver sight based on the slight drag marks on the rail. Bluing is 98+ , the case coloring is 100% and the pictures of the wood tells the story - beautiful. It is a System II and has a proof date of November 1920 (11 20) stamped on the Bohler Special steel barrel. The groove is 312. The block is not stamped with any gunsmiths name, so suspect it was a guild made rifle. Have a 100 cases reformed and rims turned from 30-30's, loaded and ready to shoot next weekend. Am using 316 stop ring bullets Been busy so I haven't taken my own pictures but will and post them.


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #22 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 5:37am	Print Post
	The open sight that fits on the rib is shown on the picture of mt Buechel, above. There were special "field" competitions, which used an oval target for these. I also have this scope, made in Wetzler, which fits on the rib and has a special mounting with windage adjustment on it. This is the only one I have ever seen. Fred


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #23 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 7:26am	Print Post
	Interesting Fred. Can you post more pictures? Glad to hear the rifle got to you in good shape John Boy. The scope from my slug gun was lost in the mail recently. It wasnt worth much but will be expensive to replace. ,312 bore? .316 bullets? Hmm? Might be okay, I'm using .321s in my .316 Stahl barrel. Does your Aydt #2 fit you properly? Your sight description seems to be an oxymoron. (barrel receiver sight) ? Joe.
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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #24 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 9:31am	Print Post
	Quote: Does your Aydt #2 fit you properly? Your sight description seems to be an oxymoron. (barrel receiver sight) ? Joe, the cheek piece and length of pull fit perfectly for me to provide an immediate straight sight plane down the barrel when I bring it up to the shoulder. Plus, the balance is excellent. And here are a couple of pictures of the barrel rear sight off a 'Original Syst Tanner' that I want to find and put on the rifle. It is on a rifle owned by a gun crank friend of mine. I may have to opt for a different sight because the claw for the Tanner sight rail diameter is 0.538 and mine has a rail diameter of 0.630 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2247 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #25 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 11:49am	Print Post
	They are out there, John Boy. I've seen them in the past on EvilBay...but nobody is ever selling one when you need it! David

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #26 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 12:09pm	Print Post
	David, isn't this the truth? One has to sit on eBay 52 weeks a year if they are looking for something specific


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #27 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 10:53pm	Print Post
	Here's some details of the rifle ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) ... internal extractor


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Singleshotlover Oldtimer Offline Posts: 625 Location: New Iberia,Louisiana Joined: Jun 11^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #28 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 12:34am	Print Post
	Beautiful rifle, thanks for sharing with us. Frank

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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #29 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 12:56am	Print Post
	Looks like a "keeper". ...MIKE...


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #30 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 7:05am	Print Post
	Found another picture of the scope for my Buechel: Fred


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #31 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 7:07am	Print Post
	Oh bother---I posted the same picture again----try another:


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #32 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 7:08am	Print Post
	The confusion arises because the preview does not allow me to see the picture. Fred


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #33 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 1:01pm	Print Post
	Fred, transfer the pictures on your computer to an online site like Photobucket. Then open the picture up there, click on IMG Code, it will say Copied > then Paste it in your post > click on Preview and the picture will appear Nice rifle - nice scope!


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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1020 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #34 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	I am not sure if this is the type of German sight, that you are discussing. This one sold on evilbay a couple of week ago. I have a similar sight. Kurt

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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1020 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #35 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 5:00pm	Print Post
	Another view.

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feuerbixler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 791 Location: Munich / Bavaria Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2010	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #36 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	Really a neat barrel-sight! Biggi.

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1011 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #37 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 5:44pm	Print Post
	feuerbixler, my friend has a barrel sight on his Kessler that the notch in the sight is off to one side and non-adjustable, any idea how this sight could have been used. ledball


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feuerbixler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 791 Location: Munich / Bavaria Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2010	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #38 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 5:57pm	Print Post
	Sorry not any clue! Because in Germany nobody used a barrel sight. They shot in the old days sometimes with a barrel sight for the 300 meter target. But normally they shot only with diopter and front sight. In the German shooting rules since ever it was defined, that only two sights were allowed: diopter and front-sight OR barrel-sight and front-sight. So everybody decided to shoot with diopter and not with barrel-sight. Biggi.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #39 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 9:22pm	Print Post
	Biggi and I have been going round and round about the use of two versus three sights on German rifles. It's really neck and neck at the moment. So close I wouldnt be willing to make any solid comments on the use of sights, way back in the very OLD days. Wes Turner.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #40 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 9:35pm	Print Post
	The picture on the Utah Schuetzen Society's home page clearly shows rifles with all three sights intact. Biggi counters with, this picture was not taken in Germany. About the time I think I have her she comes up with an excellent counter. She says these hombres are not dressed well enough to be German or Bavarian. I counter that there sure is a lot of German looking stuff in that picture! (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Joe.

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mwhite49 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Camarillo California Joined: Nov 14^th, 2007	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #41 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 10:32pm	Print Post
	Westerner, take a close look at that Utah picture again, far right corner, 3rd man headed left, that is a Military man in his summer uniform, the hat is a dead give away. And I'm sure German, Austrian,Prussion or Swiss, and my guess is before WW1. Mike


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #42 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 10:44pm	Print Post
	And theres that little fellow in the front who looks just like Barney Zettler holding a German Stahl rifle? Huh?? Joe.

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #43 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 11:16pm	Print Post
	Check out the fella in the left window. His last name had to be von Stiff Shirt something or other


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #44 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 11:36pm	Print Post
	Quote: She says these hombres are not dressed well enough to be German or Bavarian. Here's some pictures that can't be refuted ... Brookyln Schuetzen Corps, founded in 1858 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I'm sure their medals and pins weren't obtained at some T shirt store on 42nd St in Times Square


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feuerbixler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 791 Location: Munich / Bavaria Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2010	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #45 - Jan 27^th, 2011 at 5:11am	Print Post
	In the old days in Germany the members of a shooting club or shooting society posed completely different then the guys on that Utah-pic. They wore the Sunday-suit and maybe their honor-decorations. And most of the time they showed their club-flag and some valuables. The pic above shows a north Bavarian shooting club in the year 1904 "Zimmerstutzen-Schützen-Club Aub". Biggi.

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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4069 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #46 - Jan 27^th, 2011 at 10:39am	Print Post
	I don't think some of the guys in Chinquapin Schuetzenverein ever wear a suit and tie! A nice big flag would look good in the clubhouse, though. I'll have to start checking into that. BTW, Biggi, do the clubs today still give plates and bowls as major trophies, or have they gone to more modern trophies or just medals? Do you usually shoot the honor target just once a year or every match or what? I ask because I am organizing the events for Chinquapin SV and would like to at least consider ways to incorporate more "traditional" styling into our program. Regards, Froggie


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feuerbixler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 791 Location: Munich / Bavaria Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2010	Re: Like a Kid-Waiting for Santa to Arrive! Reply #47 - Jan 27^th, 2011 at 6:48pm	Print Post
	Hi Froggie, I think to this topic a lot of guys have some questions. So I opened another thread for that in General > General Discussion: "German prize-shootings nowadays" Biggi.

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