Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2  Send TopicPrint
Hot Topic (More than 10 Replies) Swiss Peabody Martini RF (Read 10201 times)
garra
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 21
Location: Nevada
Joined: Nov 14th, 2010
Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Nov 19th, 2010 at 12:39pm
Print Post  
Well I couldn't resist and I bought one of these rifles.  It is not here yet, but I want to convert it to a CF.   Does anyone know what breech blocks will work in this action.  I have heard that the Swiss Martinis are smaller than the Henry model.  Can a Cadet size block work or.... I am open to any ideas or suggestions.

thank you,

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuestionableMaynard8130
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4144
Location: Benton  Harbor MI
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #1 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 2:15pm
Print Post  
What kind of Swiss Martini???   I've owned/own several different euro-schuetzen type martinis and it appears that standardization was not a priority with the Swiss and German makers.  One of the guys at EG has a really nice 8.15x46 martini actioned stalking rifler that is missing a block.  He's been looking for a couple years for a replacement that'll fit with out finding one that will fit tight enough to be safe
  

sacred cows make the best burger
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
garra
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 21
Location: Nevada
Joined: Nov 14th, 2010
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #2 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 2:57pm
Print Post  
It's in 41 Swiss caliber, I don't know who made it but it looks like a custom.  It does luckily have a breech block  I was just looking to see what may fit, or at least be close enough so that it could be fitted and make the conversion.  It is coming from Switzerland, I expect it early next week.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MAD MIKE
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 655
Location: So Cal
Joined: Oct 31st, 2006
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #3 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 5:21pm
Print Post  
Why can't you just convert the firing pin (striker) to centerfire??    ...MIKE...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuestionableMaynard8130
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4144
Location: Benton  Harbor MI
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 5:31pm
Print Post  
I think refitting the breech block to centerfire will be a WHOLE lot more possible than finding a workable replacement.
  

sacred cows make the best burger
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Idaho Sharpshooter
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 192
Location: Nampa, Idaho
Joined: Jan 17th, 2007
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 5:36pm
Print Post  
This is the 41 Swiss rimfire cartridge, right?  I bought one, and lucked out.  Dixie had RF blocks for $15 apiece.  My gunsmith converted it and I used Buffalo Arms brass and dies.  I shot 300gr .410 RCBS mould bullets in it.

Rich
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
38_Cal
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 2255
Location: Montezuma, Iowa
Joined: Apr 27th, 2005
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 6:20pm
Print Post  
Rich, was the block you got for a Peabody or a Martini?  The Swiss Peabodys were military rifles, with pretty good consistency on their parts dimensions.  If Garra's rifle is military, he may luck out, if it's a civilian Martini, it might be easier to alter it to centerfire than to find a block in the right size.   

David Kaiser (spelled the right way!)
  

David Kaiser
Montezuma, IA
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
garra
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 21
Location: Nevada
Joined: Nov 14th, 2010
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #7 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 8:35pm
Print Post  
I have a breech block coming from Dixie, but I believe it is for a side hammer rather than and internal hammer action.  I guess I will just have to wait until next week to see what I'm up against.  I was just trying not to modify the original block and hopefully find a replacement that could be moded.  I saw a neat thread on a center fire conversion where the guy made a brass module that held the firing pin and the return spring.  This module was then put into the block after it was treaded to accept it.  Neat idea as the firing pin is supported well and could be removed easily.  don't know if anything like that is commercially made, but it sure would take care of part of the conversion. 

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuestionableMaynard8130
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4144
Location: Benton  Harbor MI
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #8 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 8:21am
Print Post  
that sound like something that would make a beneficial article for the Journal   If you do it, be sure to take lots of pictures of the work as it progresses
  

sacred cows make the best burger
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
garra
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 21
Location: Nevada
Joined: Nov 14th, 2010
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #9 - Nov 26th, 2010 at 8:23pm
Print Post  
Rifle got here on Wednesday, didn't get a chance to take it apart until today.  Bad news is that this breech block cannot be modified to center fire without a lot of work.  When the firing pin cavity was cut it was angled so that it came out at the 6:00 position of the case.  With out filling in the existing cavity and drilling at a new angle there is not much that can be done.  I have ordered Martini Henry breech block, I compared the Peabody to my MH and I believe I can make it work.  Other than finding a breech block for another center fire Peabody Martini that appears to be the only solution. 
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
38_Cal
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 2255
Location: Montezuma, Iowa
Joined: Apr 27th, 2005
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #10 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 10:25am
Print Post  
Garra, the front of the block can probably be bushed with a dovetailed plate, like the military Martini conversions to .303 British, and a hole drilled into the firing pin channel from the front for the pin tip.  The pin body can then be drilled off center 1/2" deep for a new tip which is held in place with either a high strength Loctite or soft solder, depending on dimensions of the pin body.  That's how I would approach it if it were in my shop.

David
  

David Kaiser
Montezuma, IA
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
garra
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 21
Location: Nevada
Joined: Nov 14th, 2010
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #11 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 10:39am
Print Post  
38 Cal, I was dreaming about this last night.  If I understand what you mean, I would have to add another firing pin in the correct postion, near the top of the existing striker.  Of course the angle of the existing channel would play a part in the design.  I also was having quams about the tumbler, I was thinking that the extension that goes up into the slot of the stricker may be too short due to the original position of the stricker.  I ordered a bunch of MH breech parts so I will mock it up.  If not then I may have to send it out to a pro.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
38_Cal
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 2255
Location: Montezuma, Iowa
Joined: Apr 27th, 2005
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #12 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 8:00pm
Print Post  
The original tip on the firing pin body would be amputated, and the pin body would be drilled for a new tip, which would be off center by the difference between the original on center location and the new hole in the breech block, which would match the center of the bore/chamber/primer hole in a cartridge case.  (I've left out a few steps needed to get to the finished product... Roll Eyes)  The firing pin channel in the breech block should not need any modification, and the front end of the firing pin/striker is the only part of it that would be worked on...so the tumbler's upper arm would not be affected.

David
  

David Kaiser
Montezuma, IA
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
garra
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 21
Location: Nevada
Joined: Nov 14th, 2010
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #13 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 5:58am
Print Post  
Yeah, that is what I was thinking.  I was going to leave a bit of the original firing pin, just to aid in guiding and support.  The channel actually runs parallel to the base so that approach would work. I had visions that the original stricker was not wide enough to be able to reach the new center, but in comparing it between breech blocks of a MH, it just might make it.
I also did a comparison between a Martini breech block and this one.  They are really close, just a little fitting required.  It would have to be faced to establish headspace. The tumbler is in the right position and long enough.  I at least have a few options to pursue.

regards and thanks,
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
garra
Participating Member
*
Offline



Posts: 21
Location: Nevada
Joined: Nov 14th, 2010
Re: Swiss Peabody Martini RF
Reply #14 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 4:26pm
Print Post  
Went to the trouble a assenbling the rifle and rigging up a method of determining the location of the new firing pin.  Used a cartridge, with the primer drill out to accomidate a shouldered screw with the tip sharpened.  Worked really well and made a nice center punch mark on the face of the breech.  Some initial measuring indicated the the new firing pin would have to be mounted on the top of the existing striker, no hole support or anything.  There is some clearance in the inside of the hole for the striker, and I do have a couple more firing pins coming.  Maybe they have a flang large enough to support a firing pin.  I may end up using a MH breech block and forget about the original block.  The distance between the firing pins hole is .280, but the diameter of the flange of the striker is .525.  Half the distance will be .2625, so as you can see I am .018 shy of reaching the right spot to mount the firing pin. Cry
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Send TopicPrint