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Reply #15 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 3:47pm
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Here is a picture of a box of the Stevens-Pope Armory ammo that was for sale on eBay a while ago. Don't remember what it went for but it was a lot more than I was willing to bid.
In my 1907 Stevens catalog this loading is listed as a seperate chambering for several of the rifle models, but there is no explanation of what is different about it. 

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Reply #16 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 11:23pm
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The picture on the box looks a lot like a 22 LR.
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 12:50am
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Just a SWAG, but if the cartridge depicted on the 22 Pope Armory box is close to a dimensionally accurate scale, some quick proportioning seems to indicate that it may be a loading with a heavier than standard bullet weight. 

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Do you know if any of the converted rifles used a slightly faster than normal twist?
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 12:22pm
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The Krag I have been shooting has an 18" twist & is apparently chambered for 22 Long.  It has a very uniform .226" groove diameter, hence my interest in the diameter of the Stevens-Pope Armory bullets.  40-grain 22 LR bullets are stabilized, but the large groove diameter precludes any tack-driving accuracy.

My Winders in 22 Short have conventional bore & groove diameters but have a 25" or 26" twist.  They will chamber a 22 Long or Long Rifle with ease, but will not stabilize the Long Rifle bullet beyond about 25 yards.  At 50 yards, you cannot reliably hit a piece of 8.5 x 11 paper.

Would those of you who have target rifles in 22 Short please report on the twist?

If one of us had a Stevens chambered for the Stevens-Pope Armory cartridge, how would we know?  Twist?  Groove diameter?  Are they marked?

  
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Reply #19 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 1:09pm
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Waterman,

I have an old washed out Pope 22 short barrel marked 25/0 which I would interpret as 1 in 25” with no gain, I believe that the Winchester 22 short barrels were 1 in 24.”

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Reply #20 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 3:55pm
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I just received a copy of Brophy's Krag Rifle book from Boats.  Brophy did not quite get the historical part about Stevens-Pope barrels and the National Guard or Militia units quite right, but he quoted a part of a Stevens-Pope brochure for their Krag barrels.   

Paraphrased, it goes like this: Stevens-Pope Armory cartridges had the bullets crimped in place.  Ordinary 22 Long Rifle cartridges did not have the bullets crimped in place.  Extracting a live cartridge frequently left a bullet in the chamber (and presumably powder sprinkled through the action).  Ordinary 22 LR cartridges could be used, but S-P advised the shooter or range officer to keep a cleaning rod on hand to remove stuck bullets.  The shooter was advised to make sure that the cleaning rod was straight and not bent.   

The cartridges intended for the Model 1898 Gallery Practice Rifle were put up in boxes marked "22 Cal. Krag-Armory" (if made by UMC) or ".22 U.S. Armory Gallery Practice" if made by Winchester.

If anyone has an open box of these cartridges in their collection, please measure the bullet diameters and tell me of the results.
  
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