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Aug 14th, 2010 at 10:07pm
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I have had for some time a lovely Walnut Hill. It's an  engraved, 22 short, swiss butt, DST, 30" oct/round barrel with no sights ever mounted, no holes, proper Stevens scope. All in all I've always assumed it to be a gallery gun for the type matches shot in NYC early 20th century but would appreciate any thoughts by this esteemed body.
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Reply #1 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 7:01am
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tim, Sounds good to me, why not get another barrel in .22 LR,with the same dimensions, use the same fore end,add scope blocks & enjoy. Is it a 44 or a 44 1/2? How about some pictures. When I found my 49 the only thing salvagable was the action (a 44 1/2) . I had Paul Shuttleworth (CPA) rebarrel it to .32-40, traded him the breech block for a center fire he supplied me with some beautiful wood & a #3 butt plate & that's my regular shooter now. I'll put a picture up if I can.      welcome to the noise,   ...MIKE...
  
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A 44 1/2. Half the reason I got it was because it was a short. At 30 yards [max inside testing range] it will drill a little round hole with ELEY match shorts.
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Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 7:50pm
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Somewhere in my messy office I have a photo of one of the most famous NY shooting galleries. I don't remember seeing scopes on any of the rifles. I have a 49 (44) in .22 short and a 49 (44 1/2) in .22LR. I always assumed they were made for practicing  for schuetzen matches and the .22 short was the most accurate .22RF until the .22LR was designed many years later at the end of the 19th century. 
BTW, I have always considered the 49 the be the most aesthetically pleasing of all the Stevens.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 8:40pm
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Mr. L P Ittel with Stevens Pope In.22 Short with Stevens 6X scope. Won the 100 shot 1905 gallary shoot at the Zettler Rifle Club in NYC with a score of 2468 at 25 yards on reduced(1/4 inch) 25 ring target. Peters .22 short cartridges.
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 8:56pm
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More info.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:29pm
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Have a fair amount of info on the Zettler Bros. shop/gallery but am clueless as to the extent of this type of shooting elsewhere and my rig is the only one configured like this I think I've ever seen...hence the questions?
Love the photos, were they from the ASSRA piece?
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 11:28pm
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I would love to see pictures of this one. I am a sucker for .22 Short rifles. Just paid way more than I should have for a 418 in .22 Short with a Winchester 8X scope on it because it was in short. Have a 44 1/2  model 45 in short, 414, Winder Musket, Winchester 74 .22 auto, Browning .22 Auto, set of Colt Derringers, and at least one more that I can't recall at the moment. Sounds like a fantistic rifle.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 7:51am
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   Quarter Bore:

   That was a great posting on your part.  The history of our sport is fascinating and I wish we had more of it circulating.

   Thanks for doing your part in keeping the original period rifles, particularly the .25 's at the forefront of what we do.

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Reply #9 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 8:47am
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If you Google up the Zettler brothers you will be able to pull up several NY Times pieces written between late 1800's-early 1900's on the NYC matches.
If someone willing to post up photos will PM some contact info I'll shoot a couple images for the forum, I'm currently image compromised.
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 10:03am
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slumlord44, Congratulations on your new aquisition. Enjoy!    Good Luck,         ...MIKE...
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 3:11pm
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Tim,

Here's the history section of the San Diego club;

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

if you scroll down there's pics of the Electric City Rifle Club in Scranton, PA that was one of the many schuetzen gallery clubs.

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Reply #12 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 4:17pm
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Does anyone know if .22 Shorts were required for the gallery matches, or could any .22 rimfire be used?
In my old Stevens catalogs I see a loading refered to as a .22 Stevens-Pope Armory R.F. load. Was this a light .22 LR load for indoor use?

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Reply #13 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 5:30pm
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 Schuetzen Bob :

  A  great find, .   .   .  , I particularly enjoyed the information on the Electric City schuetzen verein, once a part of the Scranton Pennsylvania scene.

 Thanks much for the history walk.

 Creedmoor Match
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Reply #14 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 12:19pm
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The plot thickens.  The Stevens-Pope Armory load was intended (IMHO) to be used in the converted Krags that led to the Model 1898 Gallery Practice Rifle.  I was ranting about that one on another post.  You could, of course, have used it in another rifle, which people undoubtedly did.

I think the 414 came along just a year or two later, but I could be wrong about that.

Does anyone have any of these cartridges, still in the box, in their collection?  Or any other 22 Short cartridges from the same era?  I am trying to learn what the bullet diameter was.  And also if there were special match cartridges back then.  Were all those groups shot with run-of-the-mill factory ammo?
  
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